(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[Matthew Macfadyen]PB[David Ward]WR[6d]BR[4d]DT[2004-08-27]CP[British Go Association]EV[British Go Championship, title match]RO[2]PC[Mind Sports Olympiad, Manchester]AN[Cristian Pop 7d]US[Nick Wedd]C['Solaris' is Cristian Pop 7d, the official commentator
'ttt' is Ron Polak, a strong Dutch player
'BGAadmin' is whoever is currently doing the recording, this 
varies]RE[W+Resign]VW[]
;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[np]CR[np]C[Solaris [8d?\]: well, if are questions pls ask:)]
;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[qq]CR[qq]C[Solaris [8d?\]: here can start nasty things
Solaris [8d?\]: i don't know josekis so, pls help:)
Monkgs [4k\]: bQ3 is joseki.. (according to joseki dictionary 
:)
Solaris [8d?\]: alredy fuseki is difficult 
Solaris [8d?\]: no clear moyos
Solaris [8d?\]: probably many groups in this game
Solaris [8d?\]: what Matthew like:)
Solaris [8d?\]: but we'll see
Broael [?\]: what would you have done in r3s place?
Solaris [8d?\]: r3 is ok,
Solaris [8d?\]: normal move when b tenuki
Broael [?\]: but you wouldn't have done?
Solaris [8d?\]: sure i play r3 as well
Broael [?\]: ok, just checking
Solaris [8d?\]: ok:)
Broael [?\]: what are you aiming for with r3?]
;B[de]CR[de]C[Solaris [8d?\]: make base]
;W[fc]CR[fc]LB[cc:A][dh:A][pp:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: w played f17, want to take sente
misterb [10k\]: ah..
Solaris [8d?\]: and get back to q4
Solaris [8d?\]: or q3
Solaris [8d?\]: kind of miai
Broael [?\]: that's what i thought
Solaris [8d?\]: pincer and play on lower left corner
Broael [?\]: is A also a good attacking point for white?
Solaris [8d?\]: yes
Broael [?\]: i mean
Solaris [8d?\]: normal way to attack, pincer:)
Broael [?\]: is it the best?
Solaris [8d?\]: well, is usual:)
Broael [?\]: to your knowledge
Broael [?\]: ok
Broael [?\]: thanks
Solaris [8d?\]: usual can mean best
Willbrooks [4k\]: or just dull joseki...
Solaris [8d?\]: :)
Solaris [8d?\]: so far they don't play regular joseki moves
Solaris [8d?\]: many tenuki
Solaris [8d?\]: this is good, make game more fun
Willbrooks [4k\]: yeah
misterb [10k\]: just to make many places where both players want 
to play, so that whoever gets sente gets to decide the outcome 
of the each individual situation?
Solaris [8d?\]: folow 'dull' joseki is boring
Willbrooks [4k\]: matthew normally plays unusual moves
Solaris [8d?\]: yes, i know
Solaris [8d?\]: i played many times with him
wicket [1d\]: i'm a bit lost as to how B can ignore r3, would 
have thought a response to a contact move like that would be 
huge 
Solaris [8d?\]: well
Solaris [8d?\]: if we look a bit
Solaris [8d?\]: for ex, if w get sente
Solaris [8d?\]: and play at B]
(;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[bc]CR[bc]C[Willbrooks [4k\]: sente battle?]
;B[cb]CR[cb]LB[db:B][ed:A]
(;W[ed]CR[ed]C[Solaris [8d?\]: wow
Solaris [8d?\]: what's this?:)
Solaris [8d?\]: i never saw this move
Solaris [8d?\]: usual move is d18
Solaris [8d?\]: i never saw this move
Solaris [8d?\]: but ok:)]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[bb]CR[bb]C[Solaris [8d?\]: like this is bad aji]
;B[ci]CR[ci]LB[fq:A][pq:B]
(;W[fq]CR[fq]C[Solaris [8d?\]: e16 is strange
BGAadmin [-\]: 3 hours each, plus 10 stones/10 minutes Canadian
wicket [1d\]: the byoyomi on this game is way longer than anyone 
would ever play on KGS, never mind the 3 hours to start with 
:)
Solaris [8d?\]: hahaa
Solaris [8d?\]: let's hope they won't use all 3 h:)
Solaris [8d?\]: they played very fast till now
Tamsin [1d\]: anyway..does playing C11 straightway instead of 
D18 give W more or less aji than playing D18? (c18 has only two 
liberties compared with D18's three)
ttt [-\]: we will have a lovely  day and i am glad that you took 
the ti
me to comment it for us Cristian
Solaris [8d?\]: i don't understand what you mean Tasmin
Tamsin [1d\]: if B plays D18, as forcing move, then it has three 
liberties
Solaris [8d?\]: yes
Willbrooks [4k\]: w has 4
Solaris [8d?\]: but b don't play d18
Tamsin [1d\]: as it stands, W can remove aji in one move because 
C18 has only two liberties
Solaris [8d?\]: can play e15 
Solaris [8d?\]: or e18
Tamsin [1d\]: so, by not forcing with d18 before c11, does B have 
more or less aji?
Tamsin [1d\]: I hope that is clear :-)
takinc [2d\]: d18 is B's sente right, he can use it later, w won't 
move there right now
Solaris [8d?\]: by not playing d18, w shape have bad aji
Solaris [8d?\]: as f3
Solaris [8d?\]: are speedy
Solaris [8d?\]: and let bad aji behind
Solaris [8d?\]: usualy not good
BGAadmin [-\]: game variation is ok but 17 hard to place#
Solaris [8d?\]: this 
Solaris [8d?\]: i prefer q3]
;B[dn]CR[dn]LB[db:B][ip:A]C[Tamsin [1d\]: right, so d18 would be a loss-making kikashi?
Muttley [3k\]: if black plays D18 he loses the opportunity to 
play E18 
later, Tamsin
Solaris [8d?\]: i was thinking whats the merit of e16
Solaris [8d?\]: yes, b can choose
Solaris [8d?\]: and have to choose later
Tamsin [1d\]: thanks solaris
Solaris [8d?\]: when things gets clearer
Solaris [8d?\]: now not sure what b want
Solaris [8d?\]: but the easy way 
misterb [10k\]: everything?
misterb [10k\]: :D
Solaris [8d?\]: in yose]
(;W[ip]CR[ip]C[misterb [10k\]: or will he just make an extension up on top?
Solaris [8d?\]: well, w choosed to be speedy:)
Solaris [8d?\]: with f3
Solaris [8d?\]: solid way]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[pp]CR[pp]C[Solaris [8d?\]: now let's see:)]
;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[qr]CR[qr]LB[op:A][rr:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: are some ladders here too
Solaris [8d?\]: the old joseki
Solaris [8d?\]: is like this]
(;B[op]CR[op]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[oo]CR[oo]
;W[qo]CR[qo]C[Solaris [8d?\]: omit is possible too
ttt [-\]: in this case this seems best to my eye
Solaris [8d?\]: why?]
;B[nq]CR[nq]LB[on:B][lq:A]C[Solaris [8d?\]: to omit?
ttt [-\]: j4 is a living group
misterb [10k\]: Xorax will never leave aji now :P
BGAadmin [-\]: but still there is q6 cut]
(;W[lq]CR[lq]LB[om:A][on:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: anyway for w is strange to play this way

Solaris [8d?\]: w hurt bottom
Solaris [8d?\]: j4 was made for moyo
Xorax [2k\]: this is actual game now?
Solaris [8d?\]: not for living only
Solaris [8d?\]: yes, actual game
ttt [-\]: true . black is pretty strong now lowerright
Solaris [8d?\]: yes
wicket [1d\]: needs a more comfy chair
Solaris [8d?\]: and let b p6 now
Solaris [8d?\]: p6 gives b thickness
Xorax [2k\]: so m3 wasnt best option here? o.O
Solaris [8d?\]: no
Solaris [8d?\]: m3 looks strange
Solaris [8d?\]: play close to a strong wall
Tamsin [1d\]: bottom looks small anyway
Solaris [8d?\]: if b p6 next
Solaris [8d?\]: yes, but when?]
(;B[om]CR[om]C[Xorax [2k\]: he do this?
Solaris [8d?\]: yes
Solaris [8d?\]: same idea, build thickness
Solaris [8d?\]: i prefer p6
Xorax [2k\]: yea me to after you showed that hehe ^__^
Solaris [8d?\]: and m3 looks lonely:)
Solaris [8d?\]: now s5 don't work, but r7 is very big 
Solaris [8d?\]: sente for b
Solaris [8d?\]: so w have to asnwer
Solaris [8d?\]: at r7
Solaris [8d?\]: f3 was dubious
Solaris [8d?\]: w tryed to be fast]
;W[on]CR[on]LB[nn:A]C[Solaris [8d?\]: but just gets weak
Solaris [8d?\]: oh:)
ttt [-\]: sur thing isn't it , now is whites chance
Burt [16k\]: white going for kill?
Solaris [8d?\]: i don't know:)
ttt [-\]: don't say kill, white hunts for cuttingpoints
Solaris [8d?\]: but for sure w is going to complicate the game]
(;B[nn]CR[nn]
;W[pn]CR[pn]
;B[no]CR[no]
;W[nm]CR[nm]LB[ol:A]C[Solaris [8d?\]: yes, let's see this path:)
Solaris [8d?\]: b have to nobi
Solaris [8d?\]: at p8
Solaris [8d?\]: the cut too
Solaris [8d?\]: seems w overplay]
(;B[ol]CR[ol]C[Solaris [8d?\]: let's see:)
Solaris [8d?\]: all this trouble cuz p7 :)
Xorax [2k\]: all this cause he made silly jump
Solaris [8d?\]: if p6 was easy for b
Solaris [8d?\]: anyway w risk a lot in this fight]
;W[nl]CR[nl]LB[ok:B][qm:A]C[ttt [-\]: yes  i agree cristian
Solaris [8d?\]: o8 looks like bad push
Solaris [8d?\]: help b]
(;B[qm]CR[qm]
;W[rn]CR[rn]LB[ok:A]C[Solaris [8d?\]: painful for w
Solaris [8d?\]: to have to answer
penguin [14k?\]: R9 to follow?
Solaris [8d?\]: always have to avoid this kind of trades
Solaris [8d?\]: when opponent come from outside
Solaris [8d?\]: and you have to play inside
Solaris [8d?\]: p9 is usual
Solaris [8d?\]: or p10
Solaris [8d?\]: for w this game alredy very hard]
(;B[ok]CR[ok]LB[lm:A][mp:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: i'm curious what w can do now:)
Solaris [8d?\]: but as far, b played quite natural
Solaris [8d?\]: and w tryed to be fancy
BGAadmin [-\]: W has used 13 minutes, B 46
Solaris [8d?\]: n4 for w is most sharp, to keep b without eyes
Solaris [8d?\]: but can't be good]
(;W[lm]CR[lm]LB[lp:A][mp:B]C[misterb [10k\]: black N4 ?
Solaris [8d?\]: yes, so for b , just take
Solaris [8d?\]: idea is to don't help w
Solaris [8d?\]: just make eyes
Solaris [8d?\]: is all b need
wicket [1d\]: ddk and pro often play the same move, for different 
reasons:)]
(;B[lp]CR[lp]LB[kp:A][kq:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: as in game
Solaris [8d?\]: in game b help w to make bottom strong]
(;W[kp]CR[kp]LB[ko:A][mp:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: this not so good
Solaris [8d?\]: w should just nobi
Broael [?\]: so 10 kyu say n4 you say good euro dan people say 
m4 you say no good?]
(;B[ko]CR[ko]LB[jp:B][mp:A]C[Solaris [8d?\]: b help w get stronger on bottom]
(;W[mp]CR[mp]C[Solaris [8d?\]: wow:)
penguin [14k?\]: b in trouble now
misterb [10k\]: here it comes
Solaris [8d?\]: matthiew want more:)
Solaris [8d?\]: and is risky too
Solaris [8d?\]: for b]
;B[lo]CR[lo]
;W[mq]CR[mq]C[Solaris [8d?\]: this get messy
misterb [10k\]: all because black didn't take :D
penguin [14k?\]: ddk knows best
Solaris [8d?\]: yes, b didn't know what wanted
Solaris [8d?\]: ddk are best:)
misterb [10k\]: rofl
penguin [14k?\]: lol
Solaris [8d?\]: but this is european go
Forevah [3d\]: ddk?
misterb [10k\]: DDK = double digitl kyu
Solaris [8d?\]: mostly
misterb [10k\]: digit
Forevah [3d\]: oh ok :)
Solaris [8d?\]: no sense of strenght
Solaris [8d?\]: or directions
Solaris [8d?\]: just cut and fight]
;B[ln]CR[ln]
;W[jp]CR[jp]
;B[km]CR[km]C[BGAadmin [-\]: this looks to me more like the kind of game Matthew 
is at home with
Willbrooks [4k\]: yeah :-(
Solaris [8d?\]: well, b choose this:)
Solaris [8d?\]: but still b a bit better 
Solaris [8d?\]: in this fight]
;W[ll]CR[ll]C[Xorax [2k\]: yea b shoulda read this all out when he play p7 hoho
Solaris [8d?\]: more harder than should be
Solaris [8d?\]: now w cut not so bad:)]
;B[kl]CR[kl]C[Xorax [2k\]: matthew really wanna run with those 4 stones
Xorax [2k\]: o.O
Solaris [8d?\]: sure]
;W[lj]CR[lj]LB[kk:A]C[Solaris [8d?\]: but is ok for b]
(;B[kk]CR[kk]C[[ The following comments about the break for lunch were typed in to this game record when Solaris was looking at move 57.  However when they were typed the current move was 84, so the sealed move was move 85. \]

BGAadmin [-\]: they will be gone for about an hour
Solaris [8d?\]: we make pause too?
BGAadmin [-\]: you may as well
BGAadmin [-\]: or, you can try to guess the sealed move  :-)
Solaris [8d?\]: :)]
;W[nj]CR[nj]LB[pi:A][oj:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: here
Solaris [8d?\]: i prefer for b this]
(;B[pi]CR[pi]C[Solaris [8d?\]: with this move
Solaris [8d?\]: w gets chance to complicate the game]
;W[kj]CR[kj]LB[pf:B][jj:A]C[Solaris [8d?\]: now the problem
Solaris [8d?\]: is how strong w will become in center
Solaris [8d?\]: to inavde roight side
Solaris [8d?\]: invade]
(;B[jj]CR[jj]
;W[ji]CR[ji]LB[ii:A][ij:C]C[royu [4d\]: i think j11 here is better
Solaris [8d?\]: they play this way
Solaris [8d?\]: j11 isn't better
Solaris [8d?\]: help w]
(;B[ii]CR[ii]LB[pg:A][ij:B]TR[qg][fk]C[Solaris [8d?\]: well:)
Solaris [8d?\]: seems royo is right:)
Solaris [8d?\]: but
Solaris [8d?\]: this area isn't important
Solaris [8d?\]: here is important
Solaris [8d?\]: to keep b connected
Solaris [8d?\]: else w will complicate game a lot
Solaris [8d?\]: cuz f14, center area isn't important
Solaris [8d?\]: but let's see what will happend:)
Solaris [8d?\]: this is too much for b
Solaris [8d?\]: j11 ask for troubles]
(;W[pg]CR[pg]C[Solaris [8d?\]: oh, more tough
Solaris [8d?\]: this is why j11 is bad
Solaris [8d?\]: give w sente in center
Solaris [8d?\]: sente moves
Solaris [8d?\]: q13 direct is more risky]
;B[oh]CR[oh]C[misterb [10k\]: 
Would a K6 and K9 combo from white be able to cut black off and 
quite possibly kill it?
misterb [10k\]: later on
Solaris [8d?\]: no
Solaris [8d?\]: :)
Solaris [8d?\]: is too much:)]
;W[og]CR[og]C[Solaris [8d?\]: not there is the focus
Solaris [8d?\]: well, if i was w]
;B[nh]CR[nh]LB[kh:A][ij:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: now b can give center and kill this 2
Solaris [8d?\]: for ex]
(;W[kh]CR[kh]LB[ng:A][ih:A][lk:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: yes, better shape for w
Solaris [8d?\]: humm, gets complicated
wiggin [5k\]: O9 better for w? (than N9)?
Solaris [8d?\]: too many urgent points
Solaris [8d?\]: n10 seems better
Solaris [8d?\]: o9 did't affect b
Solaris [8d?\]: this is a very important point
Solaris [8d?\]: but now the fight is more important]
(;B[ng]CR[ng]
;W[oe]CR[oe]C[Solaris [8d?\]: q15 is vital point]
;B[nc]CR[nc]LB[me:B][qk:A]C[Solaris [8d?\]: but anyway the fight did't look easy for w
Solaris [8d?\]: i don't see any obvious way to fight for w]
(;W[qk]CR[qk]LB[mi:B][oj:C][rp:A]C[Solaris [8d?\]: for takeing eyes?
Solaris [8d?\]: also r11
Solaris [8d?\]: humm
Solaris [8d?\]: now, as timeing
Solaris [8d?\]: b would like to peep
Solaris [8d?\]: i don't know:)
wiggin [5k\]: :)
Solaris [8d?\]: take eyes i think
wiggin [5k\]: did he play it?
wiggin [5k\]: or is this your move solaris?
Solaris [8d?\]: yes
wiggin [5k\]: oh ok
Solaris [8d?\]: he's move
Solaris [8d?\]: so, if not peep]
(;B[rp]CR[rp]
;W[ro]CR[ro]LB[oj:A][qs:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: s4 nice
Solaris [8d?\]: to see where w will answer
Solaris [8d?\]: now b have some yose left
Solaris [8d?\]: s4 nice timeing
Solaris [8d?\]: and now p10]
(;B[oj]CR[oj]LB[md:A][qh:B][qi:C]C[Solaris [8d?\]: yes, he play it
Solaris [8d?\]: j11..
Xorax [2k\]: wonder which group M is gonna play with now
Solaris [8d?\]: if a t j10 was easy for b
Solaris [8d?\]: from p15 he have to
Solaris [8d?\]: maybe something like this?]
(;W[md]CR[md]LB[mc:B][pe:A]C[Solaris [8d?\]: here he played
Solaris [8d?\]: w overplay
Xorax [2k\]: B won last game I think
Solaris [8d?\]: yes
Solaris [8d?\]: is what i heard too
Kosai [13k\]: He did, by komi (6.5).
BGAadmin [-\]: is true]
(;B[pe]CR[pe]LB[mc:B][nf:C][of:A]C[Solaris [8d?\]: he change the order:)
Xorax [2k\]: hmm
Xorax [2k\]: white N17 now?
Solaris [8d?\]: now can be different]
(;W[of]CR[of]LB[mc:B][lg:D][ql:C][rr:A]C[Solaris [8d?\]: :)
Solaris [8d?\]: w have to p14
Solaris [8d?\]: to prevent connection
Solaris [8d?\]: for ex
Solaris [8d?\]: but now
Solaris [8d?\]: if b n17]
(;B[rr]CR[rr]C[Tamsin [1d\]: B has played S2
Solaris [8d?\]: not good
misterb [10k\]: yes it does
Solaris [8d?\]: this no need]
;W[rq]CR[rq]C[Solaris [8d?\]: for ex]
;B[qs]CR[qs]C[Solaris [8d?\]: no reason]
;W[sp]CR[sp]LB[ql:B][rm:A]C[Solaris [8d?\]: yet
BGAadmin [-\]: j2 almost sente to play k9]
(;B[rm]CR[rm]C[Solaris [8d?\]: this work??
misterb [10k\]: black made a move..
Solaris [8d?\]: no reason to play here]
;W[pm]CR[pm]C[[ The next move was the sealed move for the lunch break. \]

Xorax [2k\]: Q7?
Solaris [8d?\]: b s7
Solaris [8d?\]: b want to connect?
Solaris [8d?\]: again i don't understand:)
Solaris [8d?\]: if r7 b was alive
Xorax [2k\]: whaaat
Xorax [2k\]: this is actual game??
Solaris [8d?\]: r8
Xorax [2k\]: O.O
Solaris [8d?\]: yes this is actual game
Xorax [2k\]: wanted white to answer at t6 maybe? -.-
Solaris [8d?\]: ok, so we meet in 1 hour ?
misterb [10k\]: *sticks around*
Solaris [8d?\]: ok, i have to go eat something too:)
Solaris [8d?\]: even if b r12
Solaris [8d?\]: so, we see in 1 hour 
Solaris [8d?\]: bye for now
BGAadmin [-\]: please save the game first
Solaris [8d?\]: i did:)
Broael [?\]: one hour since? when
Xorax [2k\]: xx:45 I think
Broael [?\]: oh damn
Xorax [2k\]: yea >.<
Solaris [8d?\]: well, we have to wait to restart the game
gromgull [12k\]: when is it due to restart?
Solaris [8d?\]: i'm not sure
Solaris [8d?\]: but pretty fast
Solaris [8d?\]: soon*
Broael [?\]: oh i can't make it
Broael [?\]: night night
shyu20 [5k?\]: night
shyu20 [5k?\]: too late
Xorax [2k\]: so solaris, black should R12 now? o.O
misterb [10k\]: solaris = afk? =P
Solaris [8d?\]: seems r12 he played
Xorax [2k\]: ah it started! :)
Solaris [8d?\]: but i wonder why isn't clone anymore
BGAadmin [-\]: yes, just started
Solaris [8d?\]: r7 aslo ask for trouble
Solaris [8d?\]: s7]
;B[qh]CR[qh]LB[qg:A][ql:B]TR[og]C[[ This move, no. 85 at r12, was the sealed move. \]

TheClown [3d\]: maybe he try get connection underneath to corner
Solaris [8d?\]: if this is sente
BGAadmin [-\]: no more input from me for an hour or so
Solaris [8d?\]: so again b give w chancesSolaris [8d?\]: i think 
here, both ways are possible for w
Xorax [2k\]: could white be happy with Q8 here in exchange for 
R13?
Solaris [8d?\]: both A or B
Solaris [8d?\]: yes
Solaris [8d?\]:  cuz this stones are heavy
Solaris [8d?\]: w don't want really to run from them
Solaris [8d?\]: if b play r13
Solaris [8d?\]: this 4 become easy to give up]
(;W[qg]CR[qg]LB[sa:D][rk:A][ql:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: of course matthew won't give any stones:)


Xorax [2k\]: hehe
Solaris [8d?\]: this is the complicated variation
jewel [3k\]: if r13, white shouldn't run with those stones?
Solaris [8d?\]: yes
Solaris [8d?\]: if b r13, can give the 4 stones easy

[ THIS IS THE LAST MOVE IN THIS GAME RECORD TAKEN FROM THE ACTUAL 
GAME.  THE REST IS Solaris CONJECTURES. \]]
(;B[rk]CR[rk]
;W[nr]CR[nr]
;B[oq]CR[oq]LB[qj:B][sn:A]
(;W[sn]CR[sn]LB[ih:A][qj:C]C[Solaris [8d?\]: ah, w submited
Xorax [2k\]: heh
Solaris [8d?\]: t6
Xorax [2k\]: so now J12?
Xorax [2k\]: or be a coward and Q8 o.O
Solaris [8d?\]: yes, j12:)]
(;B[ih]CR[ih]C[Kosai [13k\]: So, does black's group die now?
Xorax [2k\]: I wouldnt dare to play J12 myself actually
Solaris [8d?\]: which group?
Xorax [2k\]: afraid that right group would die
Kosai [13k\]: Side.
Solaris [8d?\]: no
Solaris [8d?\]: can't die
Solaris [8d?\]: w too weak
Solaris [8d?\]: this is the j12 merit
Solaris [8d?\]: turn w too weak
Solaris [8d?\]: in center
Muttley [3k\]: Kosai, there's a go proverb: a weak group between 
two we
ak opponent groups is a strong group  :-)
Solaris [8d?\]: yes Kosai, you did't knew this?
Xorax [2k\]: no no not strong, it just isnt weak anymore rite?
Kosai [13k\]: ah :)
Xorax [2k\]: o.O
Tamsin [1d\]: I like J12 very much. If the side lives, I think 
B has a 
grea position

Solaris [8d?\]: yes, b cna't die
Solaris [8d?\]: and b gets a very good position
Solaris [8d?\]: t6 was too submisive
Solaris [8d?\]: should counter first
Muttley [3k\]: is there an argument that since the centre group 
is weak
, white can't afford the ko aji?
Solaris [8d?\]: j11 which wasn't a good move turn now in a good 
move
Solaris [8d?\]: well
Solaris [8d?\]: here i think b is leading
Solaris [8d?\]: b too nice center position
BGAadmin [-\]: ok we are here again
Solaris [8d?\]: ok:)
Solaris [8d?\]: but again b over played, refused to make eyes
BGAadmin [-\]: maybe n14 better for w]
;W[lf]CR[lf]LB[mf:A][qj:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: we 
saw this
Muttley [3k\]: so does white C3 have any sense soon?
Solaris [8d?\]: is same i think]
(;B[mf]CR[mf]C[Solaris [8d?\]: no:)
Solaris [8d?\]: too small
Solaris [8d?\]: c3
Xorax [2k\]: white give up 2 stones
Solaris [8d?\]: this move
Xorax [2k\]: and kill R13
Solaris [8d?\]: was the begining of end
Xorax [2k\]: err
Xorax [2k\]: black*
Solaris [8d?\]: same mistake like m4
Solaris [8d?\]: this is loseing move i think]
;W[me]CR[me]C[Solaris [8d?
\]: again b is helping w
Solaris [8d?\]: or can cut?]
;B[lg]CR[lg]C[Xorax [2k\]: with m13?]
;W[kg]CR[kg]C[Solaris [8d?\]: yes
p0w3L3s5 [14k\]: b going for cut i suppose?
Solaris [8d?\]: i dont think so
Solaris [8d?\]: b can't resist in this fight
Solaris [8d?\]: cut is bad 
Solaris [8d?\]: don't work, but w mistake too]
;B[kf]CR[kf]
;W[le]CR[le]C[p0w3L3s5 [14k\]: so its begins..
Solaris [8d?\]: he start to do same things as on bottom]
;B[jf]CR[jf]LB[lh:A][ij:B]C[S
olaris [8d?\]: instead living he destroy himself:)
misterb [10k\]: White R10 now?]
(;W[lh]CR[lh]
;B[mg]CR[mg]
;W[ig]CR[ig]LB[jg:A]C[Solaris [8d?\]: almost same way
Solaris [8d?\]: b looks bad
Solaris [8d?\]: but not so easy ..
Solaris [8d?\]: what if like this?]
(;B[jg]CR[jg]
;W[ij]CR[ij]
;B[jk]CR[jk]LB[jh:A]
(;W[jh]CR[jh]LB[ie:B][hg:A]
(;B[hg]CR[hg]
;W[if]CR[if]LB[ie:A][je:B]C[Xorax [2k\]: he do this???
fraggy2 [-\]: when in doubt play a ladder that doesn't work?
Solaris [8d?\]: this work for b??
Xorax [2k\]: he cant possibly protect both H11 and K15]
(;B[ie]CR[ie]C[Xorax [2k\]: o.O]
;W[hf]CR[hf]
;B[kd]CR[kd]C[misterb [1/
0k\]: It's not totally unheard of concerning playing a ladder 
that doesnt 
work
gromgull [12k\]: i've seen too many dan games where unworking 
ladders a
re played out lately...
Xorax [2k\]: h15?]
;W[he]CR[he]LB[gg:A][hj:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: he played h15
Solaris [8d?\]: seems this game will end soon:)
misterb [10k\]: There's one mentioned in the "Fundamentals of 
Go" that 
shows a game where a pro played out a ladder that didnt work
fraggy2 [-\]: :)
gromgull [12k\]: there is a lee sendol game...
Solaris [8d?\]: the real game is till here
playgo [2k\]: w is safe here ?
Solaris [8d?\]: this was a good example of game, who to lose a 
good gam
e
Solaris [8d?\]: yes, b is lost
Solaris [8d?\]: i don't see any move for b
Solaris [8d?\]: cut was too much
Xorax [2k\]: g13 to protect?]
(;B[gg]CR[gg]LB[jc:C][fg:B][lk:A]C[Solaris [8d?\]: well, he play it
Xorax [2k\]: poor b
misterb [10k\]: xorax 5d
Xorax [2k\]: nah rather b 2k
Xorax [2k\]: hehe
Solaris [8d?\]: hahhaa
misterb [10k\]: :P
Solaris [8d?\]: anyway b not a DDk
Xorax [2k\]: wonder if matthew see K17
Solaris [8d?\]: me too
Solaris [8d?\]: he's good at reading
playgo [2k\]: is H10 first a good idea ?
Solaris [8d?\]: f13 is the right move i think
Solaris [8d?\]: h10?
Solaris [8d?\]: no
Solaris [8d?\]: too much
Solaris [8d?\]: or not?:)
misterb [10k\]: it's a DDK move.. ofcourse it won't work
Solaris [8d?\]: ah, right:)
Solaris [8d?\]: so no need to prove
misterb [10k\]: :D
Flock [13k\]: (what is ddk?)
Solaris [8d?\]: h10 bad:)
misterb [10k\]: DDK = Double Digit Kyu
Monkgs [4k\]: Double Digit Kyu
Monkgs [4k\]: SDK => Single Digit Kyu (or software development 
kit) ;-)

Xorax [2k\]: j16 white gonna play me thinks if not k17
Solaris [8d?\]: j16 is dangerous
Solaris [8d?\]: with cenetr semeai
Solaris [8d?\]: center*
Xorax [2k\]: good fun for us kibitzers
Xorax [2k\]: :)
TheOther1 [10k?\]: how dull...
Xorax [2k\]: ko?
BGAadmin [-\]: so blac vk needs better
BGAadmin [-\]: ok lets look aty game]
(;W[lk]CR[lk]LB[id:A][jd:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: what??:))
KenConan [3d\]: k17 quite smart solaris, ill add that move to 
my repert
oir
Xorax [2k\]: oh he wanna go for funky life
fraggy2 [-\]: i think they're playing a different game to us :)
Solaris [8d?\]: thanks Ken
Xorax [2k\]: black should protect top stones?
Xorax [2k\]: then whack R13
Xorax [2k\]: ^^
Solaris [8d?\]: well, still hard for b
fraggy2 [-\]: that w group is alive now regardless of the failed 
cut, y
es?
Solaris [8d?\]: not alive yet
Xorax [2k\]: if b tenuki its alive
Solaris [8d?\]: so, b 

[it is possible that Solaris did not understand this move during 
the game.  Afterwards, Matthew explained that while it does not 
live the group, it 
is sente to live it, and does gain it a liberty which will be 
useful in  the anticipated semeai with the k14 group.\]]
(;B[id]CR[id]C[Solaris [8d?\]: j16 bad shape
Solaris [8d?\]: k16 better
Solaris [8d?\]: this is bad too
BGAadmin [-\]: now  w should n17
Solaris [8d?\]: in real game b played here
Solaris [8d?\]: not many liberties for b
Solaris [8d?\]: and help w too
BGAadmin [-\]: i regret h16]
;W[hd]CR[hd]C[Xorax [2k\]: *hides in a corn
er*
Solaris [8d?\]: j17 is possible too
Solaris [8d?\]: j16 horrible move
misterb [10k\]: ... this is my kind of play.. what are they doing!?! 
th
ey should make moves that gets the goban to create a miniature 
vortex o
f stars and start lighting up the room in inverted colors or 
smth..
Solaris [8d?\]: misterb, u lost as
Xorax [2k\]: what he play k16??
Xorax [2k\]: errr
Xorax [2k\]: J16
misterb [10k\]: Noooo
misterb [10k\]: they're fun
Solaris [8d?\]: or take more :)
fraggy2 [-\]: or share?
misterb [10k\]: :D
Solaris [8d?\]: hahaa
Solaris [8d?\]: i like 'take more' option:)
playgo [2k\]: can b capture N16 ?
Solaris [8d?\]: i don't think so
misterb [10k\]: black M17 now ?
TheOther1 [10k?\]: h17 first?
Solaris [8d?\]: j17 is a msut
deft [4d\]: B's shape is too poor to do very much...
Solaris [8d?\]: must*
TheOther1 [10k?\]: same basic idea
Pempuh [3k\]: what happens if black doesn't play j17?
TheOther1 [10k?\]: :-)
KenConan [3d\]: w playes there
Solaris [8d?\]: why?
Solaris [8d?\]: seems normal]
;B[hc]CR[hc]
;W[hj]CR[hj]C[Solaris [8d?\]: 
me?
TheOther1 [10k?\]: so is my move good?]
;B[gi]CR[gi]LB[ke:A]C[shyu20 [5k?\]: go 
is easy to learn, hard to master
KenConan [3d\]: this looks like its going to finish very soon
Solaris [8d?\]: the hane looks dangerous
Solaris [8d?\]: h17]
(;W[ke]CR[ke]
;B[je]CR[je]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[jd]CR[jd]LB[ib:A][jb:B][lc:C]C[Solaris [8d?\]: this
 is the game
Solaris [8d?\]: but they lost me :)
KenConan [3d\]: white k18 maybe
Solaris [8d?\]: if k18]
(;W[ib]CR[ib]LB[jb:A]C[shyu20 [5k?\]: over soon
Solaris [8d?\]: j18 seems the resisting move
Solaris [8d?\]: b have to m17
goLord [5d\]: bk18
chrisr [5k?\]: this is the game, right?]
(;B[jb]CR[jb]LB[hb:C][kb:D][kc:B][nk:A]C[Solaris [8d?\]: he played k18
Xorax [2k\]: oh
penguin [14k?\]: nm :)
Xorax [2k\]: cool the game might live on for a lil while ^_^
misterb [10k\]: white L17 ?
Solaris [8d?\]: don't work
asterl [?\]: l18 for white?
TheOther1 [10k?\]: o/o/o/davido/o/o/
Solaris [8d?\]: here
Solaris [8d?\]: i wonder]
(;W[nk]CR[nk]LB[lb:A][qj:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: there??
Xorax [2k\]: o.O
Solaris [8d?\]: isn't alive yet
shyu20 [5k?\]: im david
shyu20 [5k?\]: thx for the support
Solaris [8d?\]: b r10
asterl [?\]: with o11 in sente its alive
Xorax [2k\]: or greedy N11
Solaris [8d?\]: b r10, so no sente
asterl [?\]: ok
Solaris [8d?\]: o9 risky
Xorax [2k\]: white H18?
Solaris [8d?\]: gives b sure life and w not alive yet
chrisr [5k?\]: if W not alive yet, how to kill??
TheOther1 [10k?\]: n11
fraggy2 [-\]: n11
Solaris [8d?\]: yes
Solaris [8d?\]: not now
chrisr [5k?\]: yes i see :)]
(;B[lb]CR[lb]C[BGAadmin [-\]: q12]
;W[qj]CR[qj]LB[rg:A]C[Solaris [8d?\]: oh, too
 complicated:)
Solaris [8d?\]: unecesarly complicated
chrisr [5k?\]: W goes for the kill :)]
(;B[rg]CR[rg]
;W[rf]CR[rf]LB[rh:B][ri:A]C[Solaris [8d?\]: this is the game
Solaris [8d?\]: w lose semai i think
Solaris [8d?\]: semeai*]
(;B[ri]CR[ri]
;W[sg]CR[sg]
;B[rh]CR[rh]
;W[qe]CR[qe]LB[qc:A][qd:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: ok:)

Xorax [2k\]: o.O
fraggy2 [-\]: A1
misterb [10k\]: ladder breaker!
misterb [10k\]: A1 that is
fraggy2 [-\]: :)
Solaris [8d?\]: :)
misterb [10k\]: :P
Xorax [2k\]: maybe start with p16 o.O
anEye [13k?\]: I wonder if someone plays Q14
Solaris [8d?\]: no:)
Solaris [8d?\]: q14 is bad
Solaris [8d?\]: no need
TheOther1 [10k?\]: ajikeshi
w00taku [-\]: loss of liberties
Solaris [8d?\]: yes
anEye [13k?\]: ;_;
w00taku [-\]: Q14 is an important liberty for black :p
Solaris [8d?\]: yes, it is
Wasserfall [3k\]: and b will have R14, i think]
(;B[qc]CR[qc]C[Solaris [8d?\]: yes
Solaris [8d?\]: r17?
Solaris [8d?\]: again surprise
shyu20 [5k?\]: wowza
w00taku [-\]: S17 indeed :/]
;W[rc]CR[rc]LB[rb:A]
(;B[rb]CR[rb]C[Muttley [3k\]: Christmas comes early for Mr. Black
furr [?\]: do they know it is xmas?
Solaris [8d?\]: but lets wait the surprises:)
w00taku [-\]: wil white R16 make a difference?
Xorax [2k\]: :)
TheOther1 [10k?\]: daren :-(]
;W[rj]CR[rj]LB[ne:B][ph:A][gj:C]C[TheOther1 [10k?\]: *darn
Solaris [8d?\]: o15?
goLord [5d\]: b can finish w off
Solaris [8d?\]: not yet]
(;B[ph]CR[ph]
;W[ni]CR[ni]C[Solaris [8d?\]: there..
Solaris [8d?\]: for center group
Solaris [8d?\]: o11 should be at g10 
Xorax [2k\]: n11 still kill?
misterb [10k\]: no
misterb [10k\]: N11 N12 M11 L11 N10 N9  then miai for life
Xorax [2k\]: nono
Solaris [8d?\]: now g10 no longer sente
misterb [10k\]: at N11 N7 
Xorax [2k\]: n11 and he anser M11 -.-
TheOther1 [10k?\]: blacks bottom stones weak?
Solaris [8d?\]: yes
Solaris [8d?\]: is last w chance
Solaris [8d?\]: to kill bottom
TheOther1 [10k?\]: :-(
Solaris [8d?\]: but
Solaris [8d?\]: without g10...
Solaris [8d?\]: looks harder]
;B[ne]CR[ne]LB[gj:A][hl:B]C[goLord [5d\]: so b started
goLord [5d\]: the kill procedure
Solaris [8d?\]: yes, w is dead now there
goLord [5d\]: :)
fraggy2 [-\]: something tells me they might regard a trade as 
too simpl
e]
(;W[gj]CR[gj]C[TheOther1 [10k?\]: true
Solaris [8d?\]: now g10 is gote
Solaris [8d?\]: after w center made eyes
goLord [5d\]: b escape
Solaris [8d?\]: yes
goLord [5d\]: is enough to win
Solaris [8d?\]: and is over
Kosai [13k\]: !]
;B[in]CR[in]
;W[fi]CR[fi]LB[gh:A][gn:B]C[KenConan [3d\]: so, g12 losin
g move
Solaris [8d?\]: was like this]
(;B[gh]CR[gh]LB[hi:A]C[Solaris [8d?\]: oh
Solaris [8d?\]: b fight :)
goLord [5d\]: he is asking for it
Solaris [8d?\]: want to kill all
goLord [5d\]: easy win
Muttley [3k\]: black can kill all  :-)
Muttley [3k\]: not necessarily white stones though
w00taku [-\]: hmm, isn't it a bit unreasonable?
Solaris [8d?\]: is complicated
Solaris [8d?\]: g12 the last loseing move:)
Solaris [8d?\]: or the real loseing move
BGAadmin [-\]: yes, no need to continue commentary. Many thanks
Solaris [8d?\]: thanks too
Solaris [8d?\]: well, good luck both in next game:)
Solaris [8d?\]: see you 
BGAadmin [-\]: thanks for your time]
(;W[hi]CR[hi]
;B[hh]CR[hh]
;W[ff]CR[ff]LB[gf:B][fh:A]C[Solaris [8d?\]: they paly exactl
y the same
Solaris [8d?\]: b ask for trouble
gromgull [12k\]: G14 G15 F15 G16 F13 no?
Solaris [8d?\]: no]
(;B[fh]CR[fh]C[Solaris [8d?\]: to make thingsmore complicated?
deft [4d\]: ... B can still change his mind and sacrifice his 
H12 stone
s, no?]
;W[eh]CR[eh]C[gromgull [12k\]: god bless the ddk...]
;B[ei]CR[ei]
;W[fj]CR[fj]C[Solaris [8d?\]: this is forced]
;B[eg]CR[eg]
;W[dh]CR[dh]C[S
olaris [8d?\]: yes, but alredy made them big
deft [4d\]: doesn't need those stones to win]
;B[fg]CR[fg]LB[ch:A][gn:B]C[Solaris [8d?
\]: g6?
KenConan [3d\]: if that were the case then he wouldnt have moved 
them i
n the first place
Solaris [8d?\]: if now w
Solaris [8d?\]:  g6]
(;W[ch]CR[ch]C[w00taku [-\]: this might be a stretch, but can't the G12
 group be captured big?
Solaris [8d?\]: let's see if work again:)
w00taku [-\]: yes like that
Xorax [2k\]: uhm
Xorax [2k\]: black gotta D11?
Solaris [8d?\]: i don't know, just look very dangerous for b
KenConan [3d\]: moving g12 stones was not very good was it
KenConan [3d\]: both strategically and tactically
Solaris [8d?\]: was very bad , yes:)
Xorax [2k\]: well
Xorax [2k\]: maybe he wanted to give W another chance
Tamsin [1d\]: rats..i have to go to work in a moment and I will 
miss th
e climax
Solaris [8d?\]: hahaha
Solaris [8d?\]: we will save the game
Solaris [8d?\]: not the climax:)
Tamsin [1d\]: is the result clear yet?
w00taku [-\]: no :)
Xorax [2k\]: they are playing right now
Xorax [2k\]: o.O
Solaris [8d?\]: well, in a table tennis game never clear:)
fraggy2 [-\]: it's been clear since move 80 odd, it's just there's 
been
 70 moves since then
w00taku [-\]: maybe you can watch from work :p
Tamsin [1d\]: I was kind of hoping for an answer on the lines 
of "Yes, 
Black is winning now" or "White has got a clear advantage"
Tamsin [1d\]: but you wise-cracking guys...you guys!]
;B[fe]CR[fe]LB[cj:A]C[Sola
ris [8d?\]: with this guys is hard 
fraggy2 [-\]: well, there's always a big fight that could swing 
the gam
e, and if we dunno who's gonna win the fight...
Solaris [8d?\]: c10 for w
misterb [10k\]: black is aiming at G16
Solaris [8d?\]: g 16 don't work
chrisr [5k?\]: solaris, did you ever play with Matthews ??
Solaris [8d?\]: but probably they will miss it too
Solaris [8d?\]: yes, several times i play him
chrisr [5k?\]: nice :)
Tamsin [1d\]: gee...even I have played with Matthew
Tamsin [1d\]: when I was a beginner
Tamsin [1d\]: please somebody message me with the result...I would 
appr
eciate that...
chrisr [5k?\]: did you win, Tamsin ? :)
Tamsin [1d\]: enjoy the game all!
Xorax [2k\]: tamsin just load the game
Xorax [2k\]: when you come home?
Xorax [2k\]: :)
Tamsin [1d\]: no, he thrashed me...I was a beginner
chrisr [5k?\]: hehe
Solaris [8d?\]: :)
Muttley [3k\]: Tamsin, I think it will be on the 6 o'clock news
fraggy2 [-\]: heh
Kosai [13k\]: hah]
(;W[cj]CR[cj]C[Kosai [13k\]: only if black plays G6 soon, right?  :)
Tamsin [1d\]: damn...I am not home until nearly 7pm, mutt
Tamsin [1d\]: what suck luck, eh?
chrisr [5k?\]: C10 !! :)
Muttley [3k\]: you work too hard
Tamsin [1d\]: see you all
deft [4d\]: is this the game now?
Solaris [8d?\]: see you
Solaris [8d?\]: yes, is the game now
deft [4d\]: ... then B is in deep trouble :)
Solaris [8d?\]: yeah
chrisr [5k?\]: B now has a minute a move :)
Solaris [8d?\]: well, he ask for too many times during this game
misterb [10k\]: ohhh
deft [4d\]: at first I thought he could resist with D10, but then 
I tho
ught that atari is usually a bad move ;)
misterb [10k\]: so the game will proceed a lil faster..]
;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[gc]CR[gc]C[misterb [10k\]: time-tesuji :D]
;B[gf]CR[gf]C[Solaris [8d?\]: wi
th b13 b can make eyes]
;W[hb]CR[hb]LB[db:A][bg:B]C[w00taku [-\]: but what about white
 E15?]
(;B[db]CR[db]
;W[ec]CR[ec]C[Solaris [8d?\]: yes
Solaris [8d?\]: so, again b succed to remake a game
Muttley [3k\]: yes, though maybe black can get a little back there]
;B[bh]CR[bh]C[Xorax [2k\]: b12 o.O
Solaris [8d?\]: this help w too
deft [4d\]: anyway, it's not that likely that B lives both places
Solaris [8d?\]: if just b11]
;W[bi]CR[bi]C[Solaris [8d?\]: without
Solaris [8d?\]: d10 was some bad aji]
;B[bg]CR[bg]C[Solaris [8d?\]: now 
w safe
Solaris [8d?\]: and can g6]
;W[eo]CR[eo]C[Solaris [8d?\]: or this:)
Kosai [13k\]: sigh.]
;B[do]CR[do]LB[hm:A][gn:B]C[Muttley [3k\]: no, this is a body cou
nt that does not include the terminally ill
Solaris [8d?\]: still g6
Xorax [2k\]: J8 good response to G6? o.O]
(;W[hm]CR[hm]C[misterb [10k\]: geez xorax.. what happened to your readi
ng skills ? =P]
;B[hn]CR[hn]C[Xorax [2k\]: but easier to escape with I t
hink.. no?]
;W[gm]CR[gm]C[Xorax [2k\]: or this
Solaris [8d?\]: this seems more dangerous]
;B[go]CR[go]C[Muttley [3k\]: 
black won a battle and lost the ar
Muttley [3k\]: war
Solaris [8d?\]: for w]
;W[fp]CR[fp]C[misterb [10k\]: F6 for white I thin
k..]
;B[hp]CR[hp]C[misterb [10k\]: oh
misterb [10k\]: sorry
misterb [10k\]: forgot that cutting point
Solaris [8d?\]: even if live is bad for b
Solaris [8d?\]: b live too small]
;W[hr]CR[hr]
;B[fn]CR[fn]
;W[en]CR[en]C[m
isterb [10k\]: why not white F6 after black H4 ? 
Solaris [8d?\]: ask matthew:)
misterb [10k\]: *goes*
misterb [10k\]: :D
misterb [10k\]: tho it's quite a trip
misterb [10k\]: I'll ask minismurf to ask him :p
Solaris [8d?\]: hahaa
Solaris [8d?\]: u can call
Solaris [8d?\]: now:)
misterb [10k\]: expeeensiiiive..
Solaris [8d?\]: but u will know
misterb [10k\]: prolly a euro a second
chrisr [5k?\]: use skype :)
misterb [10k\]: :P
w00taku [-\]: collect call
misterb [10k\]: rofl
misterb [10k\]: BGAdmin calls a break cuz McFayden has a collect 
call f
rom sweden
Solaris [8d?\]: connect with h2 is better tah f6
Solaris [8d?\]: yes, like matthew, sorry to disturb, a sweeden 
want to 
know why h2
misterb [10k\]: :D
jewel [3k\]: a swede
Solaris [8d?\]: aha, thanks, u can go back to play now]
;B[fm]CR[fm]C[Xo
rax [2k\]: wonder if matthew still turn all the stones with right 
side 
up
deft [4d\]: I still don't see a way for B...
Xorax [2k\]: bgadmin should tell us
misterb [10k\]: rofl
Solaris [8d?\]: well, game is dramatic:)]
;W[em]CR[em]C[Xorax [2k\]: han
e!
Xorax [2k\]: e8 o.o
BGAadmin [-\]: no. any way up now
misterb [10k\]: :D
Solaris [8d?\]: d4 is in trouble too]
;B[el]CR[el]C[Solaris [8d?\]: just
 d7
misterb [10k\]: must of been frustrating for ward to see ... the 
game i
sn't interesting/hard enough for mcfayden to concentrate on the 
game, r
ather than turning stones the right way
Solaris [8d?\]: hahahaa
deft [4d\]: D7 is simple and good
misterb [10k\]: black is hoping for a crusscut?
Solaris [8d?\]: call him now:)
deft [4d\]: ... so probably matthew will find another move ;)
Xorax [2k\]: e9 maybe
misterb [10k\]: yeah, Ward will be ever so pleased to be in byo-yomi 
an
d be called :P
chrisr [5k?\]: solaris did you ever win against Matthew??
Solaris [8d?\]: yes:)
w00taku [-\]: "Hello? Ward? Dude! Hurry it up!"
Xorax [2k\]: did you ever lose?
misterb [10k\]: hahaha
chrisr [5k?\]: i thought so :)
Solaris [8d?\]: as far as recall, never lost
Xorax [2k\]: :-)
chrisr [5k?\]: wow :)]
;W[dm]CR[dm]C[chrisr [5k?\]: amazing :)
Solaris [8d?\]: thanks:)
Solaris [8d?\]: i'm amazing
Xorax [2k\]: E10 black?
playgo [2k\]: E10 doesnt work
Solaris [8d?\]: can't help myself to be
Pempuh [3k\]: haha ;)]
;B[gl]CR[gl]LB[dk:B][cl:A][hl:C]C[misterb [10k\]: Xorax: don't digres
s to 16k-ness..
Solaris [8d?\]: d9
Xorax [2k\]: doesnt work?.. depends what you wanna do with it
deft [4d\]: it's true - you only have to think if you chose the 
complic
ated path]
(;W[cl]CR[cl]LB[ej:B][hl:A]C[Solaris [8d?\]: this is even better?
chrisr [5k?\]: yeah, that was exectly what Ken said yesterday
chrisr [5k?\]: and i thought he was joking :)
Solaris [8d?\]: no
Solaris [8d?\]: this isn't good
playgo [2k\]: same idea i guess?
Xorax [2k\]: e10 now?
Solaris [8d?\]: b can take sente
Pempuh [3k\]: show us =)
Solaris [8d?\]: let's hope b won't see it:)
misterb [10k\]: :D
fraggy2 [-\]: no, let's
playgo [2k\]: ah but very different result]
(;B[hl]CR[hl]C[w00taku [-\]: haha
Pempuh [3k\]: I think b has to play really fast
Solaris [8d?\]: yes
chupacabra [2d\]: B is in overtime, 10 moves 10 mins
chrisr [5k?\]: C3 then :)]
;W[cq]CR[cq]C[Solaris [8d?\]: well, in a real
 game is ahrder to read 
misterb [10k\]: well... considering he can think during mcfaydens 
time.
..
KenConan [3d\]: b looks dead
Solaris [8d?\]: it is]
;B[hq]CR[hq]
;W[ir]CR[ir]C[Solaris [8d?\]: in norm
al conditions
misterb [10k\]: lol
deft [4d\]: that's assuming matthew doesn't play very fast
deft [4d\]: ... but he does
Solaris [8d?\]: anyway was quite an exciting game
KenConan [3d\]: i dare say w is better
Solaris [8d?\]: they pass the game very fast 
TheOther1 [10k?\]: who's winning??
Solaris [8d?\]: to each other
KenConan [3d\]: score est agrees, so i must be right
deft [4d\]: it's over now... just a little while until B resigns
fraggy2 [-\]: heh
misterb [10k\]: we all know SE takes more drugs than I do
Solaris [8d?\]: so funny:)
Solaris [8d?\]: the b moy become w teritory
playgo [2k\]: nice game
Solaris [8d?\]: moyo*]
;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[sj]CR[sj]LB[rl:B][sm:A]C[Solaris [8d
?\]: r8 don't work
Solaris [8d?\]: s8
KenConan [3d\]: resign sequence]
(;W[sm]CR[sm]C[KenConan [3d\]: whats amazing is not when he resigned, b
ut the move to he resigned too. akward place to do so]
;B[iq]CR[iq]C[Xor
ax [2k\]: hoho I see atleast 1 resigned game by you in your lise 
sol ^^]
;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[dq]CR[dq]C[Solaris [8d?\]: :)
Solaris [8d?\]: now the resigning scene]
;W[dr]CR[dr]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[cr]CR[cr]C[deft [4d\]: I think B will resign here...
Solaris [8d?\]: let's wait, 
deft [4d\]: no point in making another move
Solaris [8d?\]: don't lose patience:)
deft [4d\]: do you see something?
w00taku [-\]: time to make another collect call :/
Solaris [8d?\]: no
Solaris [8d?\]: nothing
w00taku [-\]: "David, I called to tell you this: focus!"
Solaris [8d?\]: hahaha
deft [4d\]: use the force...
Xorax [2k\]: and lots of it
Xorax [2k\]: -.-
Solaris [8d?\]: focus on yose pls
Solaris [8d?\]: i read once in a book, in yose can get 30 points
Solaris [8d?\]: i tryed, never suceed
deft [4d\]: haha
Solaris [8d?\]: maybe david?
Xorax [2k\]: I'm happy if I get a total of 30 o.o
deft [4d\]: got to go now... thanks for the commentary :)
Xorax [2k\]: bye deft
Solaris [8d?\]: see you
chupacabra [2d\]: what is B doing now, I wonder
Xorax [2k\]: counting
playgo [2k\]: having a beer
KenConan [3d\]: thanks for commentary solaris
Solaris [8d?\]: thanks too
w00taku [-\]: refusing my collect call
chupacabra [2d\]: lol
chupacabra [2d\]: i have to go too, thanks solaris
Solaris [8d?\]: thanks:)
Solaris [8d?\]: i have to copy/paste:)
fraggy2 [-\]: b must be close to losing on time anyway
Solaris [8d?\]: is pitty, b had a better game
Solaris [8d?\]: for long time
Solaris [8d?\]: but he over ight
Solaris [8d?\]: fight*
w00taku [-\]: it seems black resigned
Muttley [3k\]: Thanks for the commentary, solaris  :-)
Solaris [8d?\]: well, should be over
WzMage [3d\]: Solaris, thanks for the comments
Solaris [8d?\]: thanks all 
w00taku [-\]: Indeed, wonderful
Muttley [3k\]: was really great :-)
lala112 [?\]: thanks solaris
Solaris [8d?\]: was fun:)
Xorax [2k\]: yes, thanks solaris ^_^]
;B[dj]CR[dj]C[furr [?\]: Sol, you 
are the best. thx :)
Solaris [8d?\]: thanks furr:)
w00taku [-\]: huh
Muttley [3k\]: what is this?
Solaris [8d?\]: still some movement:)
w00taku [-\]: there's more?
Xorax [2k\]: o.o]
;W[di]CR[di]C[Muttley [3k\]: lol]
;B[dk]CR[dk]
;W[ej]CR[ej]C[Solaris [8d?\]: never resign
w00taku [-\]: wow
playgo [2k\]: oh, eyeless...]
;B[dl]CR[dl]C[w00taku [-\]: "make eyes out
 of your enemies"
playgo [2k\]: well kind of
Xorax [2k\]: nah
Solaris [8d?\]: is close?]
;W[cm]CR[cm]C[Solaris [8d?\]: b have around 6
0]
;B[ah]CR[ah]C[Solaris [8d?\]: w ahead my more tahn 10]
;W[ja]CR[ja]
;B[kb]CR[kb]C[Muttley [3k\]: should back O16 to avoid semedori?
Solaris [8d?\]: is big yes
playgo [2k\]: also semedori ?
playgo [2k\]: ah
Xorax [2k\]: b9?
Xorax [2k\]: andgame
Xorax [2k\]: e*
Solaris [8d?\]: c9 is better
Solaris [8d?\]: make more points
Xorax [2k\]: oh o.O]
;W[ck]CR[ck]
;B[ad]CR[ad]
;W[ab]CR[ab]
;B[io]CR[io]
;W[gq]CR[gq]
;B[jo]CR[jo]C[Solaris [8d?\]: o16 now
Xorax [2k\]: N11 ?
Xorax [2k\]: isnt that huge endgame
Solaris [8d?\]: yes
w00taku [-\]: it's sente
Solaris [8d?\]: yes
Solaris [8d?\]: 4 points]
;W[sk]CR[sk]
;B[sl]CR[sl]
;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[nf]CR[nf]C[Solaris [8d?\]: now n12?]
;W[nd]CR[nd]C[Xorax [2k\]: O.O]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[rl]CR[rl]C[w00taku [-\]: works about the same, this
Solaris [8d?\]: yes
Solaris [8d?\]: about same value
BGAadmin [-\]: Black has resigned
Solaris [8d?\]: ok
Solaris [8d?\]: good:)
Kosai [13k\]: Thanks for the commentary, Solaris.
lala112 [?\]: thx solaris
misterb [10k\]: yes
misterb [10k\]: thanks
Solaris [8d?\]: thanks again all
BGAadmin [-\]: Thanks for your commentary, Solaris
TheOther1 [10k?\]: thx sol
jewel [3k\]: thank you
w00taku [-\]: thanks again :)
playgo [2k\]: thx
Solaris [8d?\]: well, see you all around
w00taku [-\]: when I call David, I'll tell him you said "hi"
Monkgs [4k\]: lol
Solaris [8d?\]: :)
Xorax [2k\]: cu all ^^
BGAadmin [-\]: hello, this is matthew
BGAadmin [-\]: how do i get to the beginning?
BGAadmin [-\]: you have control])
(;W[rl]CR[rl]
;B[sl]CR[sl]
;W[sm]CR[sm]C[KenConan [3d\]: you need to read
 get strong at resigning christian.. :)
Solaris [8d?\]: ah, yes:)
Solaris [8d?\]: i never resign...
Solaris [8d?\]: too frustating
deft [4d\]: Lee Sedol can give some lessons -- resigning after 
80 moves
, pfff.]))
(;B[ej]CR[ej]
;W[ek]CR[ek]
;B[fk]CR[fk]
;W[dk]CR[dk]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[hl]CR[hl]
;B[hk]CR[hk]C[Pempuh [3k\]: omg nice
Kosai [13k\]: !
chupacabra [2d\]: cool
Solaris [8d?\]: yes, same idea]))
(;W[dk]CR[dk]C[Solaris [8d?\]: yes, no thinking
Solaris [8d?\]: d9 c3 combo:)
Solaris [8d?\]: but let's wait for big surprise:)
playgo [2k\]: C3 kills the corner ?
Solaris [8d?\]: now mathew can turn the game
deft [4d\]: more or less, playgo
chrisr [5k?\]: KenC, you gotta love that statement: 'no thinking' 
:) :)]
;B[hl]CR[hl]
;W[cq]CR[cq]C[Solaris [8d?\]: and over
Solaris [8d?\]: or still can make eyes?
deft [4d\]: and is making two eyes enough?
chrisr [5k?\]: b center alive now, no??
Solaris [8d?\]: this is the second problem
w00taku [-\]: very alive, yes
Solaris [8d?\]: yes, alive
Solaris [8d?\]: but if not d9])
(;W[hl]CR[hl]
;B[dk]CR[dk]LB[ej:A][fk:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: is bad aji]
(;W[ej]CR[ej]
;B[dj]CR[dj]
;W[di]CR[di]
;B[ck]CR[ck])
(;W[fk]CR[fk]C[Solaris [8d?\]: if this, for eyes]
;B[fl]CR[fl]
;W[dj]CR[dj]
;B[hk]CR[hk]
;W[ik]CR[ik]
;B[il]CR[il]
;W[gk]CR[gk]
;B[ej]CR[ej]C[Solaris [
8d?\]: big eye
Pempuh [3k\]: nice
Wasserfall [3k\]: nice
chrisr [5k?\]: pff :)
deft [4d\]: :D
Xorax [2k\]: O.O
Solaris [8d?\]: so
Solaris [8d?\]: have to d9:)
Xorax [2k\]: yea that was soooo obvious
Xorax [2k\]: -.-
playgo [2k\]: :-)])))
(;W[gn]CR[gn]LB[il:A][jo:B]
(;B[il]CR[il]
;W[jo]CR[jo]C[Solaris [8d?\]: w take eyes
misterb [10k\]: still only 1 eye...
Solaris [8d?\]: yes])
(;B[jo]CR[jo]
;W[il]CR[il]C[Solaris [8d?\]: miai])))
(;B[bg]CR[bg]LB[ee:B][bh:A]
(;W[bh]CR[bh]C[w00taku [-\]: doesn't that steal an eye])
(;W[ee]CR[ee]
;B[ef]CR[ef]C[Solaris [8d?\]: no
Kosai [13k\]: w00t, he can't approach, self-atari.]
;W[bh]CR[bh]
;B[cg]CR[cg]C[w00taku [-\]: aaaaaaaaack]
;W[gn]CR[gn]C[w00taku [-\]: I missed th
e auto-atari, noooo
Xorax [2k\]: I'm master at approaching self-ataris
Solaris [8d?\]: so, will become like this
Solaris [8d?\]: if cenetr group live
Solaris [8d?\]: c3 will folow
Solaris [8d?\]: still hard for b
Muttley [3k\]: that's a rational analysis, Solaris  :-)
Solaris [8d?\]: and i don't see how cenetr group can live
Solaris [8d?\]: ah, sorry muttley:)
Muttley [3k\]: like you said at the start, many groups  :-)
Solaris [8d?\]: but let's see, more surprises can come:)
deft [4d\]: in fact even if B lives everywhere, he will not have 
enough
 territory after C3
Solaris [8d?\]: top right is big
fraggy2 [-\]: you sure?
deft [4d\]: pretty sure
Muttley [3k\]: not convinced about that
Solaris [8d?\]: but yes, can be enough for w
deft [4d\]: just count it (assuming 2pt for center and 2pt for 
D4/D6
Solaris [8d?\]: yes
Solaris [8d?\]: w not behind
Muttley [3k\]: I make it really close, maybe komi
chrisr [5k?\]: pff, B down to 8 moves in 4 minutes :)
deft [4d\]: did you remember B probably has to fill some territory 
in u
pper right when taking W off the board?
Muttley [3k\]: yes
deft [4d\]: and also W gains some territory in lower left corner 
after 
C2
deft [4d\]: C3])))
(;W[cj]CR[cj]C[misterb [10k\]: double-geta? =P]
;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[gc]CR[gc]C[Xorax [2k\]: g16 and H17 trap in ladder]
;B[gf]CR[gf]
;W[hb]CR[hb]C[def
t [4d\]: C10 excellent move...]))
(;W[gn]CR[gn]C[Solaris [8d?\]: i'm not sure who will win
deft [4d\]: well, he can admit his mistake... sometimes it's the 
best c
ourse of action...
Solaris [8d?\]: till now b was very lucky
Solaris [8d?\]: he had easy win in hand and always he complicated 
the g
ame]))
(;B[gf]CR[gf]
;W[fe]CR[fe]C[Solaris [8d?\]: w here]))
(;W[hi]CR[hi]
;B[hh]CR[hh]
;W[ff]CR[ff]
;B[fh]CR[fh]
;W[eh]CR[eh]
;B[ei]CR[ei]
;W[fj]CR[fj]
;B[eg]CR[eg]
;W[dh]CR[dh]
;B[fg]CR[fg]C[Xorax [2k\]: didnt th
is game get complicated at like move 3? o.O
gromgull [12k\]: black is in overtime any minute - white can complicate
 like crazy and hope for mistake?]
;W[di]CR[di]C[fraggy2 [-\]: the overt
ime is very generous
Solaris [8d?\]: like this not sure if b profit]
;B[ej]CR[ej]C[fraggy2 [-
\]: and b knows how to use his time]
;W[dg]CR[dg]
;B[ef]CR[ef]
;W[dj]CR[dj]
;B[ek]CR[ek]C[TheOther1 [10k?\]: why doesnt black just connect out and 
win?]
;W[dk]CR[dk]C[Solaris [8d?\]: let's see:)]))
(;B[gn]CR[gn]C[Solaris [8d?\]: one more?:)
Kosai [13k\]: !!
goLord [5d\]: tha will be all
misterb [10k\]: !!!
Solaris [8d?\]: look now at t6....
Solaris [8d?\]: such a nice waste
Xorax [2k\]: :)
Solaris [8d?\]: just here?
BGAadmin [-\]: of course
Solaris [8d?\]: b ahead i think]
;W[eg]CR[eg]
;B[dr]CR[dr]C[Solaris [8
d?\]: if b play nrmaly
Xorax [2k\]: yea B got greedy -.-
chupacabra [2d\]: a world of difference...
chrisr [5k?\]: yes amazing :)
deft [4d\]: "simple is good" repeat 100 times...
Solaris [8d?\]: amazing is the word:)
playgo [2k\]: nice tewari
Solaris [8d?\]: so, let's see the reverse]))
(;W[hl]CR[hl]C[Solaris [8d?\]: problem is here
goLord [5d\]: h6
Solaris [8d?\]: can b escape?]
;B[hn]CR[hn]
;W[in]CR[in]
;B[im]CR[im]LB[hm:A][jn:B]
(;W[hm]CR[hm]C[goLord [5d\]: and some get out
goLord [5d\]: take the stone]
;B[gn]CR[gn])
(;W[jn]CR[jn]C[goLord [5d\]: connect
Solaris [8d?\]: like this trade?
goLord [5d\]: h 7]
;B[hm]CR[hm]C[Solaris [8d?\]: yes
deft [4d\]: maybe if B trades still W has not enough]
;W[kn]CR[kn]C[Sola
ris [8d?\]: big center]
;B[fp]CR[fp])))
(;B[ne]CR[ne]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[nf]CR[nf]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[rd]CR[rd]C[Solaris [8d?\]: w few liberties])
(;W[gj]CR[gj]
;B[fi]CR[fi]
;W[hm]CR[hm]C[Xorax [2k\]: well for all we kno
w
Xorax [2k\]: b might tenuki
Xorax [2k\]: -.-
Solaris [8d?\]: still soemthing here
Solaris [8d?\]: if g10 is sente...]))
(;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[rj]CR[rj]C[Solaris [8d?\]: now different]
;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[qb]CR[qb]C[Xorax [2k\]: black N11?]
;W[ql]CR[ql]
;B[rl]CR[rl]
;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[ne]CR[ne]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[nf]CR[nf]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[se]CR[se]
;W[sf]CR[sf]
;B[mc]CR[mc]C[KenConan [3d\]: b is 
good
Solaris [8d?\]: b wins by far the semeai seems
TheOther1 [10k?\]: yay :-)]))
(;B[qd]CR[qd]C[Solaris [8d?\]: have to block
Solaris [8d?\]: r15 lose soem liberties
Solaris [8d?\]: s11 also, seems
Trumelunki [4d\]: Wasn't R16 just fine?
w00taku [-\]: ah, white played a move]
;W[rd]CR[rd]C[w00taku [-\]: S17 s
eems a good counter?]
;B[rc]CR[rc]LB[rb:B][rj:A]
(;W[rj]CR[rj]
;B[se]CR[se]C[Solaris [8d?\]: let's see what they'll play,
 they are full with surprises:)
Xorax [2k\]: :)])
(;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[sc]CR[sc]
;B[qc]CR[qc]LB[od:B][rj:A]C[Solaris [8d?\]: like
 this b ok]
(;W[rj]CR[rj]
;B[ne]CR[ne]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[nf]CR[nf]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[se]CR[se])
(;W[od]CR[od]
;B[oc]CR[oc]C[chrisr [5k?\]: hehe :)]
;W[se]CR[se]C[Solaris
 [8d?\]: so, i don't know why r17]
;B[rj]CR[rj]
;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[sh]CR[sh]
;W[sf]CR[sf]
;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[pk]CR[pk]
;B[sm]CR[sm]C[Solaris [8d?\]: even eyes?:)]))))
(;B[rh]CR[rh]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[rd]CR[rd]LB[qi:B][rj:A]C[misterb [10k\]: well]
(;W[rj]CR[rj]LB[ne:B][ph:A]
(;B[ph]CR[ph]C[misterb [10k\]: black has been known to make weird moves
..])
(;B[ne]CR[ne]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[nf]CR[nf]
;B[ph]CR[ph]))
(;W[qi]CR[qi]
;B[ph]CR[ph]C[deft [4d\]: no chance for W here...]
;W[ne]CR[ne]C[Solaris [8d?\]: like this?
misterb [10k\]: well
misterb [10k\]: look at the game :P])))
(;B[rg]CR[rg]
;W[rf]CR[rf]
;B[rh]CR[rh]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[rd]CR[rd]))
(;B[qj]CR[qj]LB[ph:B][ni:A]C[Solaris [8d?\]: first make eyes
Solaris [8d?\]: why not here?
Solaris [8d?\]: still n11
Solaris [8d?\]: and b is alive
BGAadmin [-\]: w must q12]
(;W[ni]CR[ni]C[TheOther1 [10k?\]: then murder white...]
;B[lb]CR[lb]
;W[hm]CR[hm]C[Solaris [8d?\]: w goes for exchange?
Solaris [8d?\]: try to kill m4 probably])
(;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[lb]CR[lb]C[Solaris [8d?\]: w is dead seems
Solaris [8d?\]: in bigger way]
;W[rh]CR[rh]
;B[ri]CR[ri])))
(;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[hb]CR[hb]
;B[lb]CR[lb])
(;W[hb]CR[hb]
;B[lb]CR[lb]C[Solaris [8d?\]: i same?])
(;W[kb]CR[kb]LB[hb:A][jc:B][kc:D][gd:C]C[BGAadmin [-\]: g16
Solaris [8d?\]: nice move
Solaris [8d?\]: but maybe this save b?]
(;B[hb]CR[hb])
(;B[jc]CR[jc]C[penguin [14k?\]: do the wave
Solaris [8d?\]: or not the same]
;W[hb]CR[hb])
(;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[gc]CR[gc]C[BGAadmin [-\]: k17]
;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[hb]CR[hb]C[Solaris [8d?\]: yes, and now
BGAadmin [-\]: m18]
;B[lb]CR[lb]
;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[ka]CR[ka]
;W[mc]CR[mc]C[BGAadmin [-\]: yes, I missed that])
(;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[hb]CR[hb]
;W[ja]CR[ja]
;B[gd]CR[gd]C[Solaris 
[8d?\]: so don't work, ok])))
(;B[jb]CR[jb]C[chrisr [5k?\]: J18
TheOther1 [10k?\]: m18?
Solaris [8d?\]: yes
Solaris [8d?\]: hard for w
TheOther1 [10k?\]: yay]
;W[hb]CR[hb]
;B[lb]CR[lb]C[TheOther1 [10k?\]: go 
david]
;W[mi]CR[mi]
;B[qj]CR[qj]TR[pg]C[misterb [10k\]: he didnt play thi
s tho :P
Solaris [8d?\]: not alive
misterb [10k\]: not yet anyway
Solaris [8d?\]: m9 was huge mistake
penguin [14k?\]: ko for cut?]))
(;W[jb]CR[jb]
;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[hb]CR[hb]
;W[ge]CR[ge]C[KenConan
 [3d\]: ah, get squeezed
KenConan [3d\]: mm
misterb [10k\]: and black M17 ?]
;B[lc]CR[lc]C[Solaris [8d?\]: yes]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[kb]CR[kb]C[KenConan [3d\]: ya, k18 is bad
KenConan [3d\]: bad conan])
(;W[lc]CR[lc]C[Solaris [8d?\]: like this?
TheOther1 [10k?\]: ladder?
Xorax [2k\]: j18 ladder?]
;B[ib]CR[ib]
;W[kb]CR[kb]
;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[gb]CR[gb]C[TheOther1 [10k?\]: no]
;W[jb]CR[jb]
;B[eb]CR[eb]C[TheOther1
 [10k?\]: extend for black?
Solaris [8d?\]: now we get to e18 aji:)
TheOther1 [10k?\]: ok]))
(;W[ke]CR[ke]
;B[je]CR[je]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[jd]CR[jd]LB[hb:A][ib:B]
(;W[hb]CR[hb]C[Solaris [8d?\]: if like this
Xorax [2k\]: black just die?
KenConan [3d\]: j18?]
;B[lb]CR[lb])
(;W[ib]CR[ib]C[Solaris [8d?\]: or this
Xorax [2k\]: m18 I were thiking to linkup?
Xorax [2k\]: err 17*])))
(;B[jd]CR[jd]LB[mc:B][mi:A][nk:C]C[Solaris [8d?\]: have to make liberties
Solaris [8d?\]: if here
Solaris [8d?\]: w have to make eyes
Solaris [8d?\]: isn't better?
Solaris [8d?\]: make more libs]
(;W[mi]CR[mi]C[Solaris [8d?\]: w have to make eyes]
;B[mc]CR[mc]C[Solari
s [8d?\]: b connects]
;W[qj]CR[qj]
;B[rg]CR[rg]C[Solaris [8d?\]: and p15 
dead?
KenConan [3d\]: what a complicated game
Solaris [8d?\]: they complicate the game unecessarly
Solaris [8d?\]: is more like ping pong:)
Solaris [8d?\]: they pass the game at each move
fraggy2 [-\]: why did W play M9
TheOther1 [10k?\]: Less fun though
Solaris [8d?\]: m9?
Solaris [8d?\]: to lose probably])
(;W[mc]CR[mc]C[Solaris [8d?\]: if w cut
KenConan [3d\]: im not certain about this sequence, white might 
resist 
a bit before living
Solaris [8d?\]: like this?]
;B[hd]CR[hd]LB[ge:B][ff:A][hj:D][nk:C]
(;W[ff]CR[ff]LB[fg:B][mi:A]C[BGAadmin [-\]: yes]
(;B[mi]CR[mi]C[Solaris [8d?\]: can die fast
KenConan [3d\]: and if h12?
Solaris [8d?\]: f13 is sente
Solaris [8d?\]: but looks dangerous
BGAadmin [-\]: so not f14, it5 can wauiit]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[id]CR[id]
;W[ke]CR[ke]
;B[je]CR[je]
;W[gd]CR[gd]C[Solaris [8d?\]: humm, crazy :)
KenConan [3d\]: :)])
(;B[fg]CR[fg]LB[gd:A][fe:B]
(;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[ge]CR[ge])
(;W[fe]CR[fe]C[KenConan [3d\]: yikes]
;B[mi]CR[mi]C[Solaris [8d?\]: w de
ad
Solaris [8d?\]: can't resist
Solaris [8d?\]: w 5 liberties])))
(;W[ge]CR[ge]C[Solaris [8d?\]: this?
BGAadmin [-\]: no play o9])
(;W[nk]CR[nk]
;B[qj]CR[qj]C[BGAadmin [-\]: but first hh10
Solaris [8d?\]: make eyes])
(;W[hj]CR[hj]
;B[gi]CR[gi]
;W[nk]CR[nk]
;B[qj]CR[qj]LB[ph:B][ni:A]C[Solaris [8d?\]: if n
ot n11
BGAadmin [-\]: q12]
(;W[ni]CR[ni]
;B[ge]CR[ge]C[BGAadmin [-\]: no need])
(;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[ge]CR[ge]C[Solaris [8d?\]: b alive
BGAadmin [-\]: but s12 sente]
;W[rh]CR[rh]
;B[ri]CR[ri]C[Solaris [8d?\]: 
yes, probably w live
BGAadmin [-\]: maybe live big with r17]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[pc]CR[pc]C[Solari
s [8d?\]: i don't think is possible to kill corner
BGAadmin [-\]: ok so the real game is around d7])))
(;W[nk]CR[nk]C[Solaris [8d?\]: w have to make eyes]
;B[mc]CR[mc]C[BGAadm
in [-\]: yes, still n17])))
(;W[fg]CR[fg]LB[gf:A][gh:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: like this is clear
Xorax [2k\]: he did that?
Solaris [8d?\]: if b resist
misterb [10k\]: no
Solaris [8d?\]: no
Solaris [8d?\]: for ex
Solaris [8d?\]: or]
(;B[gf]CR[gf]
;W[ge]CR[ge]
;B[ff]CR[ff]
;W[jc]CR[jc]C[Solaris [8d?\]: and 
k17]
;B[qj]CR[qj]C[Solaris [8d?\]: b have to live]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[ef]CR[ef]
;B[ee]CR[ee]
;W[fe]CR[fe]
;B[gh]CR[gh]C[Solaris [8d?\]: the a
ji in center just too big]
;W[gi]CR[gi]
;B[fh]CR[fh]
;W[hj]CR[hj]
;B[hh]CR[hh]LB[hm:B][jn:A]
(;W[jn]CR[jn])
(;W[hm]CR[hm]C[Pempuh [3k\]: wow they play fast
misterb [10k\]: lol
Solaris [8d?\]: no, are my moves:)
Pempuh [3k\]: oh ;)
fraggy2 [-\]: w played]))
(;B[gh]CR[gh]LB[jc:A][gi:B]C[BGAadmin [-\]: h12
BGAadmin [-\]: i thought w needs 1 more liberty 
Solaris [8d?\]: aha, so this is why m9
Solaris [8d?\]: L9]
(;W[jc]CR[jc]C[BGAadmin [-\]: j16]
;B[id]CR[id]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[je]CR[je]C[BGAadmin [-\]: k15]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[hd]CR[hd]
;W[ff]CR[ff]C[BGAadmin [-\]
: m9 wins
Solaris [8d?\]: lose semeai?]
;B[lk]CR[lk]C[BGAadmin [-\]: seems so])
(;W[gi]CR[gi]
;B[fh]CR[fh]
;W[hj]CR[hj]
;B[hh]CR[hh]LB[lk:B][hm:A]C[Solaris [8d?\]: look
s like good exchanges
BGAadmin [-\]: must live f]
(;W[hm]CR[hm]C[Solaris [8d?\]: for ex later])
(;W[lk]CR[lk]
;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[mi]CR[mi]
;B[mc]CR[mc]LB[qj:B][hm:A]
(;W[hm]CR[hm]C[Solaris [8d?\]: like this?
BGAadmin [-\]: yes but must kill
Solaris [8d?\]: wait:)])
(;W[qj]CR[qj]C[Solaris [8d?\]: first]
;B[rg]CR[rg]
;W[ph]CR[ph]C[BGAadmin
 [-\]: then s13 as in game]
;B[qi]CR[qi]
;W[ni]CR[ni]
;B[oi]CR[oi]
;W[hm]CR[hm]C[Solaris [8d?\]: can live?
BGAadmin [-\]: does this kill?  h8]
;B[hl]CR[hl]
;W[gl]CR[gl]C[BGAadmin [
-\]: j8]
;B[il]CR[il]
;W[gk]CR[gk]C[BGAadmin [-\]: j7 or cut]
;B[im]CR[im]
;W[hn]CR[hn]C[BGAadmin [-\]: j6
Solaris [8d?\]: not alive]
;B[in]CR[in]
;W[jo]CR[jo]
;B[gm]CR[gm]C[BGAadmi
n [-\]: g7]
;W[fm]CR[fm]
;B[gn]CR[gn]
;W[ho]CR[ho]
;B[fn]CR[fn]
;W[ej]CR[ej]C[Solaris [8d?\]: b not many liberties too
BGAadmin [-\]: need 7 liberties
Solaris [8d?\]: i don't know, is difficult
Solaris [8d?\]: seems easy to make 7 liberties]
;B[ei]CR[ei]
;W[em]CR[em]
;B[en]CR[en]
;W[dj]CR[dj]C[Solaris [8d?\]: anyway])))))
(;W[jc]CR[jc]C[Solaris [8d?\]: like this was easy for w
BGAadmin [-\]: just h12
Solaris [8d?\]: direct here]))
(;B[hj]CR[hj]C[Xorax [2k\]: yea see cant preotect both sides at same ti
me o.O]
;W[jc]CR[jc]LB[kc:A][jd:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: with this w kills
Kosai [13k\]: A Honinbo title game a few years ago was decided 
by someo
ne playing a broken ladder.
Kosai [13k\]: but this isn't the Honinbo.  ;-)  What is black's 
plan?
Solaris [8d?\]: we will see:)
Solaris [8d?\]: now b no move i think
Solaris [8d?\]: if w k17]
(;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[ke]CR[ke]
;B[je]CR[je]
;W[jd]CR[jd]C[Solaris [8d?\]: like
 this is ladder])
(;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[ke]CR[ke]
;B[je]CR[je]
;W[kc]CR[kc]LB[ic:B][hd:A]C[Solaris [8d?\]: like
 this 2 libs
Xorax [2k\]: J16?]
(;B[hd]CR[hd]
;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[id]CR[id]C[misterb [10k\]: open ladder :D]
;W[gd]CR[gd]C[Solaris [8d?\]: no where to run])
(;B[ic]CR[ic]
;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[id]CR[id]
;W[ib]CR[ib]C[gromgull [12k\]: hmm
 - after thinking that long after k12 I would have thought b 
had a good
 plan now...
gromgull [12k\]: better than this maybe :) 
fraggy2 [-\]: well, quite
Solaris [8d?\]: well
Xorax [2k\]: but maybe])))
(;B[gg]CR[gg]LB[jc:A][fg:B]
(;W[jc]CR[jc]C[Solaris [8d?\]: still here
Solaris [8d?\]: or
Solaris [8d?\]: first])
(;W[fg]CR[fg]C[Solaris [8d?\]: to probe b answer])))
(;B[je]CR[je]C[Xorax [2k\]: if he push white here
Solaris [8d?\]: like this?]))
(;B[ie]CR[ie]C[Solaris [8d?\]: and if this kosumi
Solaris [8d?\]: will be a semeai
Solaris [8d?\]: with center w group
Kosai [13k\]: Can B still play R10 and live, if he reads that 
he's losi
ng this?
Solaris [8d?\]: too late
fraggy2 [-\]: doesnt b win semeai?
Solaris [8d?\]: sure can play r10 and live but lose too much out
Solaris [8d?\]: w quite short inside
Solaris [8d?\]: so]
;W[if]CR[if]
;B[je]CR[je]
;W[he]CR[he]
;B[hd]CR[hd]
;W[hf]CR[hf]
;B[hj]CR[hj]
;W[jc]CR[jc]C[Solaris [8d?\]: looks forced]
;B[id]CR[id]
;W[gd]CR[gd]LB[ib:C][mj:A][lk:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: compliacted
TheOther1 [10k?\]: and fun
Muttley [3k\]: N10 here]
(;B[mj]CR[mj]
;W[lk]CR[lk]C[Solaris [8d?\]: w just connect
BGAadmin [-\]: B has ued 123 minutes;  W, 90])
(;B[lk]CR[lk]C[BGAadmin [-\]: no.  W 75
Solaris [8d?\]: so])
(;B[ib]CR[ib]LB[jb:A][mi:C][lk:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: w lose this way
Xorax [2k\]: white got so few liberties o.O]
(;W[jb]CR[jb])
(;W[lk]CR[lk]LB[jb:B][mi:A]
(;B[mi]CR[mi]
;W[jb]CR[jb]C[Solaris [8d?\]: like this?
Solaris [8d?\]: if not n11 w an make 2 eyes
Solaris [8d?\]: can*]
;B[hb]CR[hb]
;W[gb]CR[gb]
;B[li]CR[li]
;W[ki]CR[ki]
;B[mh]CR[mh]C[anEye [13k?\]: where?
Solaris [8d?\]: now is 4 on 4
Solaris [8d?\]: w wins]
;W[ke]CR[ke]
;B[mj]CR[mj]
;W[jd]CR[jd]
;B[mk]CR[mk]
;W[hc]CR[hc]C[Solaris [8d?\]: so])
(;B[jb]CR[jb]
;W[mi]CR[mi]C[Solaris [8d?\]: like this w is alive]
;B[nk]CR[nk]
;W[mk]CR[mk]
;B[mm]CR[mm]C[anEye [13k?\]: ah, you mean N11+M9]
;W[ni]CR[ni]LB[mc:B][ml:A]
(;B[ml]CR[ml]
;W[kc]CR[kc])
(;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[qj]CR[qj]LB[rh:A][ml:B]TR[pg]C[Solaris [8d?\]: w can sa
ve p15 group
Solaris [8d?\]: this one
Solaris [8d?\]: miai
Solaris [8d?\]: so]
;B[ml]CR[ml]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[oi]CR[oi]
;W[qi]CR[qi]C[So
laris [8d?\]: if become like this
Solaris [8d?\]: b sente]
;B[fp]CR[fp]
;W[gp]CR[gp]
;B[eq]CR[eq])))
(;W[mi]CR[mi]C[misterb [10k\]: Ward has been caught in mcfaydens pace? 
(considering the time usage)]
;B[lk]CR[lk]LB[jb:A][mk:B][nk:C]C[fraggy2 [-\]: the first game
 was like this for time]
(;W[jb]CR[jb])
(;W[mk]CR[mk]
;B[nk]CR[nk]
;W[jb]CR[jb]
;B[ni]CR[ni]C[anEye [13k?\]: n8]
;W[mj]CR[mj]
;B[mh]CR[mh]C[Solaris [8d?\]: humm])
(;W[nk]CR[nk]
;B[mk]CR[mk]
;W[jb]CR[jb]
;B[mj]CR[mj]
;W[ni]CR[ni]
;B[li]CR[li]
;W[mh]CR[mh]
;B[hb]CR[hb])))))
(;W[jh]CR[jh]))
(;B[jg]CR[jg]
;W[jh]CR[jh]
;B[ie]CR[ie]))
(;W[ij]CR[ij]
;B[jk]CR[jk]
;W[ig]CR[ig]C[Solaris [8d?\]: like this?
misterb [10k\]: I said R10 :p
misterb [10k\]: not J10
misterb [10k\]: :D
Xorax [2k\]: hehe, solaris read what he wanna read :P
misterb [10k\]: he's stuck on J10
misterb [10k\]: :P
Solaris [8d?\]: yes:)
Xorax [2k\]: as soon as I see move similar to J10 in any of my 
games
Xorax [2k\]: I gonna jump at it at once
Xorax [2k\]: -.-
misterb [10k\]: :D
Solaris [8d?\]: :)]))
(;B[qj]CR[qj]C[Solaris [8d?\]: with this
Solaris [8d?\]: b is alive on side
misterb [10k\]: well ... it almost sounds like "click" when you 
place t
he stones :P
Solaris [8d?\]: u bring you mouse with you 
Kosai [13k\]: Xorax: Well, when you place the stone, you touch 
it again
st the stone next to it..  :)
Solaris [8d?\]: your*
Xorax [2k\]: o.O
Solaris [8d?\]: if just r10, b no reason to feel bad
Solaris [8d?\]: b must just make eyes]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[nb]CR[nb]LB[jf:A][go:B]C[fraggy2
 [-\]: why didnt it work in the game?
Solaris [8d?\]: the cut?
Solaris [8d?\]: was too fast
Solaris [8d?\]: b need eyes
fraggy2 [-\]: ok
Solaris [8d?\]: w can tenuki now
Solaris [8d?\]: but the cut is too bad aji
Solaris [8d?\]: honte is to defend
Solaris [8d?\]: for ex if w tenuki now]
(;W[jf]CR[jf]C[Solaris [8d?\]: the game cut
Solaris [8d?\]: k14 or something close
Solaris [8d?\]: have to defend the cut]
;B[if]CR[if]C[Solaris [8d?\]: an
d like this w top side is small, w is pushed from all directions
Solaris [8d?\]: and b center gets big
Muttley [3k\]: black is territorially ahead here?
Solaris [8d?\]: i think so
Solaris [8d?\]: potential is so big for b
Solaris [8d?\]: gets easy for b
Solaris [8d?\]: top side isn't so big
Solaris [8d?\]: n18 and f4 are miai
Solaris [8d?\]: center too big
Solaris [8d?\]: so]
;W[ie]CR[ie]
;B[hf]CR[hf]C[Solaris [8d?\]: even like 
this]
;W[he]CR[he]
;B[ge]CR[ge]
;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[ff]CR[ff]LB[mb:A][go:B]
(;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[go]CR[go]
;W[gp]CR[gp]
;B[ho]CR[ho]C[Solaris [8d?\]: is b
ig i think
Solaris [8d?\]: r17 i think ok])
(;W[go]CR[go]
;B[mb]CR[mb]C[Xorax [2k\]: not m18?
fraggy2 [-\]: one question, you said before w had to play k14 
to guard 
a cut
Solaris [8d?\]: no
Solaris [8d?\]: yes]))
(;W[go]CR[go]
;B[ee]CR[ee]C[Solaris [8d?\]: b can start some ladder atar
i work
Solaris [8d?\]: w can't resist]
;W[jf]CR[jf]
;B[fd]CR[fd]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[gc]CR[gc]C[Solaris [8d?\]: so just gets worse
fraggy2 [-\]: makes sense
Solaris [8d?\]: k14 is a must:)])))
(;B[ih]CR[ih]LB[lf:A][qj:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: if here
Solaris [8d?\]: what w do?
Muttley [3k\]: yeah, well, you now have that white group as a 
friend in
 that case
Solaris [8d?\]: hahaa
Solaris [8d?\]: vital point 
Solaris [8d?\]: this j12
Solaris [8d?\]: agree?:)
penguin [14k?\]: 3 or 4 stone handi here ;)
Solaris [8d?\]: :)
Muttley [3k\]: yes, but black will R10 to live I bet  :-)]
(;W[lf]CR[lf]C[shyu20 [5k?\]: ur hugging partner might die
Solaris [8d?\]: w can try to connect
shyu20 [5k?\]: awww
Muttley [3k\]: well, it is being squeezed]
;B[qj]CR[qj]C[Solaris [8d?\]:
 and b make eyes
Solaris [8d?\]: and still some bad aji
Solaris [8d?\]: on w shape
Solaris [8d?\]: have to connect somehow]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[nb]CR[nb]LB[jf:A][lg:B]
(;W[jf]CR[jf]C[Solaris [8d?\]: else]
;B[if]CR[if]
;W[ie]CR[ie]
;B[he]CR[he]C[Solaris [8d?\]: if become like this
Solaris [8d?\]: w is bad
Solaris [8d?\]: b center gets too big
Solaris [8d?\]: and w is pushed all around])
(;B[lg]CR[lg]
;W[kg]CR[kg]
;B[mf]CR[mf]C[Solaris [8d?\]: b can cut
Solaris [8d?\]: so]))
(;W[qj]CR[qj]C[Solaris [8d?\]: if after j12, w here]
;B[lg]CR[lg]C[Solar
is [8d?\]: b goes out first]
;W[kg]CR[kg]
;B[lf]CR[lf]
;W[kf]CR[kf]
;B[le]CR[le]))
(;B[qj]CR[qj]C[Solaris [8d?\]: if here]
;W[ij]CR[ij]
;B[jk]CR[jk]
;W[ih]CR[ih]
;B[hi]CR[hi]
;W[hh]CR[hh]
;B[gi]CR[gi]
;W[gh]CR[gh]
;B[fi]CR[fi]C[Muttl
ey [3k\]: sure, I didn't say it was good  :-)]
;W[mc]CR[mc]C[Solaris [8d
?\]: like this still]))
(;W[qj]CR[qj]C[Solaris [8d?\]: if w here
Solaris [8d?\]: b have to connect]
;B[rj]CR[rj]
;W[qi]CR[qi]
;B[ri]CR[ri]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[rh]CR[rh]
;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[pk]CR[pk]LB[lg:B][sn:A]C[Solaris [8d
?\]: so we get same position
Solaris [8d?\]: now
Muttley [3k\]: T7, sure
Solaris [8d?\]: if b try to kill]
(;B[sn]CR[sn]
;W[mf]CR[mf]TR[ok]C[Solaris [8d?\]: center group have very
 few libertys
Solaris [8d?\]: b's
Muttley [3k\]: yup, thanks  :-)
Solaris [8d?\]: and without reading i can say b lose semeai
Solaris [8d?\]: so])
(;B[lg]CR[lg]C[Solaris [8d?\]: b have to jump]
;W[rg]CR[rg]
;B[sm]CR[sm]
;W[ij]CR[ij]
;B[jk]CR[jk]
;W[ih]CR[ih]
;B[hi]CR[hi]
;W[hh]CR[hh]C[Solaris [8d
?\]: and we get here
Solaris [8d?\]: again, if b try to kill]
;B[sn]CR[sn]
;W[mf]CR[mf]
;B[mg]CR[mg]
;W[kf]CR[kf]C[Solaris [8d?\]: almost same
Monkgs [4k\]: new move.
Solaris [8d?\]: so, w should have resist
Solaris [8d?\]: t6 was too submisive])))
(;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[rk]CR[rk]C[Solaris [8d?\]: this can be the b's aim
Solaris [8d?\]: this is what we putted
Solaris [8d?\]: so, maybe is still cloned:)]
;W[qj]CR[qj]
;B[rj]CR[rj]
;W[qi]CR[qi]
;B[ri]CR[ri]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[rh]CR[rh]
;W[pk]CR[pk]TR[oj][rs]C[Solaris [8d?\]: but cuz this ko
Solaris [8d?\]: i don't trust b
Solaris [8d?\]: b group
Solaris [8d?\]: not many liberties
Solaris [8d?\]: have to run
Solaris [8d?\]: like this is complicated]
;B[lg]CR[lg]
;W[rg]CR[rg]LB[sm:A][sn:B]C[BGAadmin [-\]: This will be the sealed move]
(;B[sm]CR[sm]C[Xorax [2k\]: not t6?
Solaris [8d?\]: b have to make eyes
Solaris [8d?\]: if t6 will die]
;W[ij]CR[ij]
;B[jk]CR[jk]
;W[ih]CR[ih]
;B[hi]CR[hi]
;W[hh]CR[hh]LB[kf:B][gi:A]
(;B[gi]CR[gi]
;W[mf]CR[mf]
;B[lh]CR[lh]
;W[kf]CR[kf]C[Solaris [8d?\]: is very risky now
jewel [3k\]: white will leave t6?])
(;B[kf]CR[kf]
;W[gi]CR[gi]
;B[hj]CR[hj]LB[qc:A][rs:B]
(;W[qc]CR[qc]C[Solaris [8d?\]: yes
Solaris [8d?\]: i think so]
;B[sn]CR[sn]
;W[rs]CR[rs]C[Solaris [8d?\]: have this ko])
(;W[rs]CR[rs]
;B[ss]CR[ss]
;W[sr]CR[sr]TR[pd][of][lg]C[Solaris [8d?\]: can play like this too
Solaris [8d?\]: anyway alredy the game get confuse for b
Solaris [8d?\]: b is weaker than w
Solaris [8d?\]: this w now pretty strong
Solaris [8d?\]: cuz corner is weak
Solaris [8d?\]: so, b s7 was very bad
Solaris [8d?\]: :)])))
(;B[sn]CR[sn]
;W[sl]CR[sl]
;B[sm]CR[sm]
;W[sh]CR[sh]C[Solaris [8d?\]: w have more liberties
Xorax [2k\]: ah
Solaris [8d?\]: plus s1 ko]))
(;B[rk]CR[rk]LB[ij:B][qj:A][sn:D][nr:C]C[Solaris [8d?\]: this is same
Solaris [8d?\]: w can tenuki too]
(;W[qj]CR[qj]
;B[rj]CR[rj]
;W[qi]CR[qi]
;B[ri]CR[ri]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[rh]CR[rh]
;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[pk]CR[pk]
;B[lg]CR[lg]
;W[rg]CR[rg]
;B[sm]CR[sm]
;W[ij]CR[ij]
;B[jk]CR[jk]
;W[ih]CR[ih]
;B[hi]CR[hi]
;W[hh]CR[hh]C[Solaris [8d?\]: b can't kill so easy
Solaris [8d?\]: is the ko too
BGAadmin [-\]: so r10 gets s13
Solaris [8d?\]: yes]
;B[kf]CR[kf]C[BGAadmin [-\]: then Whitwe getrs to live in the corner
Solaris [8d?\]: yes]
;W[mf]CR[mf]
;B[lh]CR[lh]
;W[sn]CR[sn]C[Solaris [8d?\]: and b is weaker now than w
BGAadmin [-\]: agreed
Solaris [8d?\]: q16 corner is weak too])
(;W[ij]CR[ij]C[Solaris [8d?\]: and play cenetr big move
Xorax [2k\]: hehe you like J10 move :-)
Solaris [8d?\]: sure:)
Solaris [8d?\]: is most important on board])
(;W[nr]CR[nr]C[Solaris [8d?\]: yes, this was w move]
;B[oq]CR[oq]LB[ih:A][qj:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: isn't clone game anymore
Solaris [8d?\]: i wonder why
misterb [10k\]: possibly cuz he left
misterb [10k\]: report it to wms..
Solaris [8d?\]: yes,
misterb [10k\]: so he can fix it
misterb [10k\]: :D
Solaris [8d?\]: this is the actual game
furr [?\]: clone again?
Solaris [8d?\]: j10 is most important move, imagine a b move here
gromgull [12k\]: W88 was O2?
Solaris [8d?\]: and b connected
misterb [10k\]: white will play J10 now I think :P
Solaris [8d?\]: maybe r10:)
Solaris [8d?\]: let's make bets:)
Xorax [2k\]: k6 -.-
misterb [10k\]: You can get a hug :D
misterb [10k\]: if you win
misterb [10k\]: :p
Xorax [2k\]: k6 then k9 he wanna kill hehe :)
Solaris [8d?\]: from who?:)
Solaris [8d?\]: get a hug
misterb [10k\]: Xorax: I suggested that earlier, but solaris said 
no :P

Solaris [8d?\]: k6 k9 too much
Solaris [8d?\]: not important there
Solaris [8d?\]: fight is in top]
(;B[ih]CR[ih]TR[lj]C[Solaris [8d?\]: now this group start to feel weak])
(;W[qj]CR[qj]C[Solaris [8d?\]: like this seems tough
Solaris [8d?\]: well, admin said i have to save this and remake 
clone
Solaris [8d?\]: so, i'll do this:)
shyu20 [5k?\]: why?
Solaris [8d?\]: now isn't cloe anymore
shyu20 [5k?\]: oh its not?
Solaris [8d?\]: no
Muttley [3k\]: if it's not a clone, I don't think you get the 
move updates
Monkgs [4k\]: >> this one is not modified anymore <<]))
(;W[sn]CR[sn]C[Solaris [8d?\]: this is the end of first part:)
Solaris [8d?\]: t6 was too submisive
Solaris [8d?\]: should fight
BGAadmin [-\]: ok
Solaris [8d?\]: t6 gives w chances
Solaris [8d?\]: b, sorry:)
Solaris [8d?\]: ok, let's move to the other game
Solaris [8d?\]: the other half, after lunch break
BGAadmin [-\]: ok have you loaded that game]))
(;B[sa]CR[sa]))
(;W[ql]CR[ql]C[Solaris [8d?\]: and w kill this 2
Solaris [8d?\]: isn't a profit for b]
;B[qg]CR[qg]LB[mc:A][ij:B]
(;W[mc]CR[mc]C[Solaris [8d?\]: we'll see:)])
(;W[ij]CR[ij]
;B[jk]CR[jk]
;W[ih]CR[ih]
;B[hi]CR[hi]
;W[hh]CR[hh]
;B[gi]CR[gi]
;W[gh]CR[gh]
;B[fi]CR[fi]
;W[mc]CR[mc]TR[og]C[Solaris [8d?\]: soemthing like this
Xorax [2k\]: yea looks good for w o.O
Solaris [8d?\]: it is good for w
Solaris [8d?\]: top side become large
Solaris [8d?\]: and this can give up 
Solaris [8d?\]: not important stones anymore
Solaris [8d?\]: but w choose the fighting way:)])))
(;B[ql]CR[ql]C[Solaris [8d?\]: this is usual
Solaris [8d?\]: and make eyes
Solaris [8d?\]: s7 - can't understand]))
(;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[mf]CR[mf]C[Solaris [8d?\]: w can try to close
Tamsin [1d\]: well, I'm not quite a dan and not quite a kyu, so 
I would
n't know that :-) I'm a "kyan" player
Solaris [8d?\]: so, order is essential:)])
(;B[ql]CR[ql]LB[qh:B][qs:A]C[Tamsin [1d\]: kewl
Solaris [8d?\]: if b first here
Solaris [8d?\]: then
Solaris [8d?\]: just here
Solaris [8d?\]: b alive
BGAadmin [-\]: but r12 sente, then n17]
(;B[qs]CR[qs]
;W[rq]CR[rq]LB[rr:B][rs:A]
(;B[rs]CR[rs]C[Solaris [8d?\]: s1 is better for b
Solaris [8d?\]: not atari
Solaris [8d?\]: now w have to make eyes]
;W[rm]CR[rm]
;B[rl]CR[rl]
;W[sp]CR[sp]C[Solaris [8d?\]: if play atari as in game])
(;B[rr]CR[rr]
;W[sp]CR[sp]C[Solaris [8d?\]: at s1 is a klo
Solaris [8d?\]: ko*
Solaris [8d?\]: so, w no need to answer
Solaris [8d?\]: when b s7
Solaris [8d?\]: can be very different
Solaris [8d?\]: and isn't natural to play s2 now]))
(;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[qi]CR[qi]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[lf]CR[lf]LB[ih:A][qs:B]
(;B[ih]CR[ih]C[Solaris [8d?\]: something like this?
BGAadmin [-\]: s9 still interesting
Solaris [8d?\]: no
Solaris [8d?\]: s7 is sente
Solaris [8d?\]: corner die])
(;B[qs]CR[qs]
;W[rq]CR[rq]LB[rm:B][rs:A]
(;B[rs]CR[rs]
;W[rm]CR[rm]
;B[rl]CR[rl])
(;B[rm]CR[rm]
;W[rs]CR[rs]C[Solaris [8d?\]: so, no s9
BGAadmin [-\]: ok
BGAadmin [-\]: but in the game s2 so corner ko
Solaris [8d?\]: yes, s2 was bad:)
Solaris [8d?\]: no need s2]
;B[ih]CR[ih]))))
(;B[lg]CR[lg]C[Solaris [8d?\]: b can go out too
Solaris [8d?\]: is better]))
(;W[mc]CR[mc]LB[nd:A][of:B]
(;B[nd]CR[nd])
(;B[of]CR[of]C[Solaris [8d?\]: or just cut?
Solaris [8d?\]: cut is ok
Solaris [8d?\]: important for b is to connect
Solaris [8d?\]: q16 and p10
Tamsin [1d\]: So B is doing better? That pleases me...W has so 
many strange shapes.]))
(;W[nf]CR[nf]C[Tamsin [1d\]: I feel moral indignation when people who make overplays 
prosper
Solaris [8d?\]: if here]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[qg]CR[qg]C[Solaris [8d?\]: b can connect
misterb [10k\]: haven't you learned that it's only called overplay 
for 
kyu players and for danplayers it's called trickplay
misterb [10k\]: :P
Solaris [8d?\]: :)]))
(;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[pe]CR[pe]C[Xorax [2k\]: ugh cant be good.. looks like something I would play
Solaris [8d?\]: like this are usual moves who come first in mind]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[mf]CR[mf]C[Solaris [8d?\]: w no shape
Tamsin [1d\]: I cannot help feeling B is being overpowered a bit 
in this game...which is a shame, because I like his style better
Solaris [8d?\]: no, he isn't
Solaris [8d?\]: b do ok]))
(;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[qi]CR[qi]
;W[qd]CR[qd]C[misterb [10k\]: can you show me why R11 won't work? =P])
(;W[qi]CR[qi]C[Solaris [8d?\]: so, r11 not good]
;B[qh]CR[qh]C[Solaris [8d?\]: cuz hane
misterb [10k\]: Q12 ?]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[qj]CR[qj]
;W[ri]CR[ri]
;B[rj]CR[rj]
;W[rh]CR[rh]
;B[rm]CR[rm]LB[qd:A][rq:B]C[misterb [10k\]: I think that's quite nice for white.. and then 
attack the corner
Solaris [8d?\]: like this?
Solaris [8d?\]: but w corner]
(;W[qd]CR[qd]C[Xorax [2k\]: dead?]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[qs]CR[qs]
;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[rs]CR[rs]C[Solaris [8d?\]: maybe yes
Solaris [8d?\]: so])
(;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[nf]CR[nf]
;B[rf]CR[rf]
;W[qg]CR[qg]
;B[lg]CR[lg]TR[ok]C[Solaris [8d?\]: is bad for w
Solaris [8d?\]: cuz b now is alive
Solaris [8d?\]: in middle])))
(;B[qs]CR[qs]
;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[rr]CR[rr]
;W[sp]CR[sp])
(;B[oj]CR[oj]C[Solaris [8d?\]: r9 become quite bad move
Solaris [8d?\]: if  w tenuki]
;B[ql]CR[ql]C[Solaris [8d?\]: this give b eyes
Solaris [8d?\]: and sente yose
Solaris [8d?\]: at r1]))
(;B[mi]CR[mi]C[Solaris [8d?\]: but not sure if w answer
Solaris [8d?\]: if this peep don't work]
;W[oj]CR[oj]
;B[mj]CR[mj]
;W[nk]CR[nk]
;B[lk]CR[lk]C[shyu20 [5k?\]: so fast?
Solaris [8d?\]: are my moves
Xorax [2k\]: but
Xorax [2k\]: why did white r9 now?])
(;B[oj]CR[oj]C[Xorax [2k\]: just P10?
Solaris [8d?\]: just defend
Solaris [8d?\]: yes, i don't know what w get
Solaris [8d?\]: r11 don't work
Solaris [8d?\]: so, i don't know why he played r9:)]))
(;W[me]CR[me]C[Solaris [8d?\]: if here]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[of]CR[of]C[Solaris [8d?\]: b spoil the shape]
;B[lg]CR[lg]C[Solaris [8d?\]: then play between groups]
;W[ij]CR[ij]
;B[jk]CR[jk]
;W[ih]CR[ih]
;B[hi]CR[hi]))
(;B[lk]CR[lk]LB[mj:B][mk:A]
(;W[mk]CR[mk]
;B[mi]CR[mi]
;W[mj]CR[mj])
(;W[mj]CR[mj]C[wiggin [5k\]: ok])))
(;W[ij]CR[ij]
;B[jk]CR[jk]
;W[jh]CR[jh]LB[ng:A][lh:B][lk:C]
(;B[ng]CR[ng])
(;B[lh]CR[lh]
;W[kh]CR[kh]
;B[ne]CR[ne]C[Solaris [8d?\]: or something like this
Solaris [8d?\]: not mention the cut])
(;B[lk]CR[lk]
;W[mk]CR[mk]LB[ng:B][ki:A]
(;B[ki]CR[ki]C[Solaris [8d?\]: this cut])
(;B[ng]CR[ng]C[Solaris [8d?\]: so, when b turn the cut become bad aji
Solaris [8d?\]: so, w enter in something very risky]))))
(;W[ij]CR[ij]
;B[jk]CR[jk]
;W[jh]CR[jh]C[Solaris [8d?\]: i don't like b now
Solaris [8d?\]: i would play this first
Solaris [8d?\]: if b defend]
;B[qf]CR[qf]LB[gi:A][hi:B]
(;W[gi]CR[gi])
(;W[hi]CR[hi]C[Solaris [8d?\]: make center power]
;B[hl]CR[hl]
;W[nc]CR[nc]C[Solaris [8d?\]: then try to expand top side, with the center power
Solaris [8d?\]: this is more simple way
Solaris [8d?\]: and for sure good
Solaris [8d?\]: w not bad
Solaris [8d?\]: left b moyo gets small])))
(;B[ii]CR[ii]
;W[jh]CR[jh]
;B[ij]CR[ij]
;W[pf]CR[pf]C[ttt [-\]: ok, i will enjoy my lunch too, hopefully we will catch 
a good second half later
Solaris [8d?\]: w want to invade
BGAadmin [-\]: 45 minutes before lunch break
Forevah [3d\]: if your name is mathew all you seem to want to 
do is invade and cut :)])
(;B[ij]CR[ij]
;W[kh]CR[kh]
;B[qf]CR[qf]C[Solaris [8d?\]: like this is honte
Solaris [8d?\]: if w allowed]))
(;W[pf]CR[pf]C[Solaris [8d?\]: is what w want to do
Solaris [8d?\]: so, this is why i prefer for b to play this way])
(;B[jj]CR[jj]C[Solaris [8d?\]: b have to hane
Solaris [8d?\]: if w hane]
;W[ji]CR[ji]C[ttt [-\]: so white strategy to fight for F14 might work, due to 
blacks eroor at P7?]
;B[ij]CR[ij]C[Solaris [8d?\]: f14
Solaris [8d?\]: ?
Solaris [8d?\]: not so important
Solaris [8d?\]: i think
Solaris [8d?\]: first top side is imortant
ttt [-\]: it was the keypoint of the fighting in the upperleft
Solaris [8d?\]: f14 did't affect b side
Solaris [8d?\]: is just a point to expand b
Solaris [8d?\]: not w, as long top side isn't w's
Solaris [8d?\]: but yes, f14 will get big
Solaris [8d?\]: so, if b nobi in center
ttt [-\]: at least we tried to understand why white played E16 
instead 
of that stone to be at D18
Solaris [8d?\]: w have to defend the cut]
;W[kh]CR[kh]
;B[qf]CR[qf]C[Solaris [8d?\]: and b have to defnd right side
Solaris [8d?\]: well, i don't understand e16:)
Solaris [8d?\]: so, like this f14 not urgent]
;W[hh]CR[hh]
;B[gj]CR[gj]C[ttt [-\]: M4 was probably a slip to on blacks part]
;W[nc]CR[nc]C[misterb [10k\]: a missclick :P
Solaris [8d?\]: hahaa
Solaris [8d?\]: so]))
(;B[oj]CR[oj]LB[ni:A][kj:B]
(;W[ni]CR[ni]
;B[oi]CR[oi]
;W[nh]CR[nh]
;B[pg]CR[pg]C[Solaris [8d?\]: to get a firm connection
ttt [-\]: yes agree
Solaris [8d?\]: anyway w will play L10
Solaris [8d?\]: is safer
Solaris [8d?\]: and didn't affect center group
BGAadmin [-\]: but White will l10 not o11]
;W[kj]CR[kj]TR[nh][ni]C[Solaris [8d?\]: this 2 stones don't help w very much in attacking 
center group
Solaris [8d?\]: so, again b start to give w's chances
Solaris [8d?\]: with keima])
(;W[kj]CR[kj]
;B[jj]CR[jj]
;W[ji]CR[ji]
;B[ij]CR[ij]LB[pg:A][kh:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: and invade?
BGAadmin [-\]: then q13]
(;W[pg]CR[pg]
;B[ni]CR[ni]C[Solaris [8d?\]: this hane looks powerful
Solaris [8d?\]: i think b can fight
BGAadmin [-\]: l12 may be ok?
Solaris [8d?\]: for w?])
(;W[kh]CR[kh]
;B[pg]CR[pg]LB[hh:A][dj:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: than connect
Solaris [8d?\]: then*
BGAadmin [-\]: now d10]
(;W[hh]CR[hh]
;B[gj]CR[gj])
(;W[dj]CR[dj]C[Solaris [8d?\]: yes, possible
Solaris [8d?\]: but for b
Solaris [8d?\]: important was to connect with corner
BGAadmin [-\]: the right side needs olne more move
Solaris [8d?\]: with q16
Solaris [8d?\]: isn't about points]
;B[cj]CR[cj]
;W[dk]CR[dk]
;B[eh]CR[eh]C[Solaris [8d?\]: is about connection
Solaris [8d?\]: if b connect w center is weak
Solaris [8d?\]: but sure w can fight 
Solaris [8d?\]: i mean is easyer for b
BGAadmin [-\]: difficult game])))))
(;B[kk]CR[kk]C[Solaris [8d?\]: anyway L9 is vital point here
BGAadmin [-\]: B has used 64 minutes, W 26
BGAadmin [-\]: n one hour, break for lunch with sealed move
Solaris [8d?\]: when is the break?
BGAadmin [-\]: in 58 minutes now
Solaris [8d?\]: ok]
;W[nj]CR[nj]C[Xorax [2k\]: I wuld be happy if I got to chase those down]
;B[oj]CR[oj]
;W[ni]CR[ni]
;B[ph]CR[ph]C[Solaris [8d?\]: if become something like this
Solaris [8d?\]: b get right side
Solaris [8d?\]: in this fighting/running 
Solaris [8d?\]: b lost a lot on bottom
Solaris [8d?\]: but still in game]))
(;W[jp]CR[jp]C[Solaris [8d?\]: if just like this
Solaris [8d?\]: i don't know what b do
Solaris [8d?\]: b miss directions here
Solaris [8d?\]: to cut center stones isn't very important
Solaris [8d?\]: now w bottom very strong
Broael [?\]: so white happier with this?
Solaris [8d?\]: b still have to take to make eyes]
;B[mp]CR[mp]C[Solaris [8d?\]: yes, w happy]
;W[jm]CR[jm]C[Solaris [8d?\]: and  still w connect if want to
Solaris [8d?\]: so, not sure what b get from this
Forevah [3d\]: there is played now :)
Solaris [8d?\]: just played from a strong group]))
(;B[mp]CR[mp]))
(;W[kq]CR[kq]C[Solaris [8d?\]: yes, i'm bad]))
(;B[mp]CR[mp]LB[pg:A][ko:B][hp:C]C[Solaris [8d?\]: is good enough
Solaris [8d?\]: is like w cutted 2 strong groups
Solaris [8d?\]: no sense
Solaris [8d?\]: as far as i know Matthew:)
Solaris [8d?\]: he will invade on top right
Solaris [8d?\]: for ex
Solaris [8d?\]: if just n4 as a DDK
Solaris [8d?\]: and w let's say connect
Solaris [8d?\]: just here?
Solaris [8d?\]: make eys is enough
Solaris [8d?\]: w?
BGAadmin [-\]: then m4 almost sente so hard fro B to fight. 
BGAadmin [-\]: I dont L5, just waiot for him to uinvade
Solaris [8d?\]: b don't invade
BGAadmin [-\]: we agree
Solaris [8d?\]: and wait
Solaris [8d?\]: w shape is thin]
(;W[pg]CR[pg]C[Solaris [8d?\]: and hope for something
Solaris [8d?\]: but already desperate mesures]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[ng]CR[ng]
;B[nk]CR[nk]C[Solaris [8d?\]: b stronger than w
Solaris [8d?\]: could be possible])
(;W[ko]CR[ko]C[Solaris [8d?\]: somehow
Broael [?\]: mm
BGAadmin [-\]: White will q12
Solaris [8d?\]: why sente?]
;B[nk]TR[nk][ok][lm][qm][ko]C[Solaris [8d?\]: and b turn
Solaris [8d?\]: what w get?
Solaris [8d?\]: some stones close to a living =strong group?
Solaris [8d?\]: and still many cuts
Solaris [8d?\]: and what b get
Broael [?\]: big wall
Solaris [8d?\]: quite nice outside moves
Solaris [8d?\]: yes
Solaris [8d?\]: so
Solaris [8d?\]: for me this is the right direction of play
Solaris [8d?\]: if b cut cneter stones
Solaris [8d?\]: if become like this
Solaris [8d?\]: w is weak
Solaris [8d?\]: q12 is ok for b
Solaris [8d?\]: b o9]
;W[pg]CR[pg]
;B[nd]CR[nd]C[Solaris [8d?\]: b can fight easy])
(;B[hp]CR[hp]C[Solaris [8d?\]: for ex
BGAadmin [-\]: so white has a big side
Solaris [8d?\]: is bad aji
BGAadmin [-\]: yes
Solaris [8d?\]: anyway is proper for b to make eyes])))
(;W[mp]CR[mp]
;B[ln]CR[ln]
;W[nk]CR[nk]
;B[oj]CR[oj]C[misterb [10k\]: here comes the situation that I said earlier :D
Solaris [8d?\]: w is weaker than b
misterb [10k\]: if this were to occur
Solaris [8d?\]: yes?
misterb [10k\]: Just twisting my arm around to pat my back
misterb [10k\]: nealy spraining it
Solaris [8d?\]: :)
misterb [10k\]: nearly
Solaris [8d?\]: so:)]))
(;B[ok]CR[ok]
;W[nk]CR[nk]
;B[oj]CR[oj]
;W[lo]CR[lo]C[Solaris [8d?\]: if become like this]
;B[mp]CR[mp]
;W[lp]CR[lp]C[Solaris [8d?\]: for b just make eyes
Solaris [8d?\]: is good enough]
;B[nj]CR[nj]TR[qg]C[Solaris [8d?\]: then turn
Solaris [8d?\]: nice b moyo
Solaris [8d?\]: hard to lose now]))
(;B[ok]CR[ok]
;W[nk]CR[nk]
;B[oj]CR[oj]C[Solaris [8d?\]: and next w move?

misterb [10k\]: n4 ?]
;W[mp]CR[mp]
;B[ln]CR[ln]C[Solaris [8d?\]: if n4, b just run free into shy:)
Solaris [8d?\]: sky*
Solaris [8d?\]: o9 looks weaker
misterb [10k\]: then run over to the left side and fight and create 
a w
all there for black to run into]))
(;B[ol]CR[ol]
;W[mm]CR[mm]LB[nk:A][mp:B]C[ttt [-\]: doesn't matter whose group it is it's dead for all]
(;B[nk]CR[nk]C[Solaris [8d?\]: and kosumi at o9]
;W[mp]CR[mp]C[Xorax [2k\]: this looks almost dead
Solaris [8d?\]: now n4 is nasty
Xorax [2k\]: if it was my gruop it die
Xorax [2k\]: :)
misterb [10k\]: xorax: your group died against me :P You always 
die
Solaris [8d?\]: good faith in you X:)
penguin [14k?\]: so, b n4?
Solaris [8d?\]: if n4])
(;B[mp]CR[mp]
;W[nk]CR[nk]C[Solaris [8d?\]: w get the chance to press, this is ok for w
Solaris [8d?\]: w cover])))
(;B[nn]CR[nn]
;W[pn]CR[pn]LB[no:A][mp:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: like this seems normal first moves
Solaris [8d?\]: now b 2 moves
Solaris [8d?\]: one of this
misterb [10k\]: B looks more efficient..
Solaris [8d?\]: if A, w can later B
Solaris [8d?\]: if B, let a atari]
;B[mp]CR[mp]
;W[nm]CR[nm]
;B[ol]CR[ol]LB[mm:B][mn:A]TR[nr]C[Solaris [8d?\]: b want to fight
Solaris [8d?\]: w keep this tsuke
Solaris [8d?\]: aim for b eyes
ttt [-\]: how many times did you play matthew solaris?
Solaris [8d?\]: so, w will nobi
Solaris [8d?\]: 3-4 times]
(;W[mn]CR[mn]C[Solaris [8d?\]: so, w have a free atari]
;B[no]CR[no]C[Solaris [8d?\]: but like this b alive
Solaris [8d?\]: with q2
Burt [16k\]: so far the players agree with you
Solaris [8d?\]: so, this fight looks harder for w
Solaris [8d?\]: if not atari])
(;W[mm]CR[mm]
;B[nk]CR[nk]C[ttt [-\]: so you might recognise his style]
;W[lp]CR[lp]C[Solaris [8d?\]: no:)
ZeroKun [-\]: lol
Solaris [8d?\]: he's style is to cut all
Solaris [8d?\]: if works ok, if not this is
Solaris [8d?\]: but now]
;B[mn]CR[mn]C[Solaris [8d?\]: w no move
Solaris [8d?\]: so, i don't know what w can get from this fight:)]
;W[lm]CR[lm]
;B[ko]CR[ko]C[ttt [-\]: right overplay, cut, smack smack clunk-style]
;W[jm]CR[jm]LB[kn:C][io:B][mr:A]
(;B[mr]CR[mr])
(;B[io]CR[io]C[misterb [10k\]: hmm])
(;B[kn]CR[kn]))))
(;B[on]CR[on]LB[qm:C][ro:A][rp:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: and let bad aji in corner
Solaris [8d?\]: if w tenuki
Solaris [8d?\]: p6 was vital point
Solaris [8d?\]: is sente
Solaris [8d?\]: else s5]
(;B[ro]CR[ro]LB[rn:A][rp:B]C[Xorax [2k\]: not s4?
Solaris [8d?\]: if s4 w capture
Solaris [8d?\]: this s sharp]
(;W[rn]CR[rn]
;B[rp]CR[rp]C[Tamsin [1d\]: I that S5 idea very much]
;W[pm]CR[pm]
;B[rr]CR[rr]C[Solaris [8d?\]: like this w lose corner])
(;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[rn]CR[rn]C[Solaris [8d?\]: now looks like loseing all:)

Solaris [8d?\]: so
Xorax [2k\]: o.O
Xorax [2k\]: scary]))
(;B[rp]CR[rp]
;W[ro]CR[ro])
(;W[qm]CR[qm]C[Solaris [8d?\]: and w defend
Solaris [8d?\]: m3 looks rather very weak
Solaris [8d?\]: isn't attacking
BGAadmin [-\]: r7 is then honte
Solaris [8d?\]: yes
Solaris [8d?\]: so, m3 is rather weak]
;B[jq]CR[jq]C[Solaris [8d?\]: w can't fight there
BGAadmin [-\]: k4 then m4?
Solaris [8d?\]: i think]
;W[jp]CR[jp]
;B[kq]CR[kq]
;W[lp]CR[lp]
;B[kp]CR[kp]
;W[ko]CR[ko]C[Solaris [8d?\]: like this?]
;B[iq]CR[iq]C[BGAadmin [-\]: yes, m6 sente both sides]
;W[ln]CR[ln]
;B[mo]CR[mo]C[Solaris [8d?\]: not s
o sente]
;W[lo]CR[lo]
;B[hq]CR[hq]C[BGAadmin [-\]: yes
Solaris [8d?\]: i think w overplay like this
Solaris [8d?\]: anyway:)])))
(;W[on]CR[on]C[Solaris [8d?\]: w have to hane
Solaris [8d?\]: bottom lose importance
Solaris [8d?\]: right side big now
Solaris [8d?\]: this is vital point for both
Solaris [8d?\]: i think
BGAadmin [-\]: now black h3 gest useful
Solaris [8d?\]: if b play p6]
;B[no]CR[no]
;W[pm]CR[pm]))
(;B[rr]CR[rr]
;W[rq]CR[rq]LB[op:B][rp:A]
(;B[rp]CR[rp]LB[sr:B][rs:A]
(;W[rs]CR[rs]LB[rn:A][nr:B]
(;B[rn]CR[rn])
(;B[nr]CR[nr]
;W[po]CR[po]C[Solaris [8d?\]: wait:)]))
(;W[sr]CR[sr]
;B[nr]CR[nr]
;W[po]CR[po]C[Xorax [2k\]: puh now I dont feel bad for not knowing this ^^
wicket [1d\]: what happens if W plays s4 after s2 btw?]
;B[rs]CR[rs]C[ttt [-\]: please don't show this i trick all the players with 
this joseki :)]
;W[qs]CR[qs]
;B[sp]CR[sp]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[sq]CR[sq]C[Solaris [8d?\]: something like this is the old joseki
ZeroKun [-\]: this is the one i see the most
Solaris [8d?\]: b get corner
Solaris [8d?\]: and w get massive thickness
ttt [-\]: Q5 to P4 involves the ladders
Solaris [8d?\]: but is considered bad for b
Solaris [8d?\]: w too strong]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[pi]CR[pi]C[Solaris [8d?\]: and corner not so big
Solaris [8d?\]: so,]))
(;B[op]CR[op]C[Solaris [8d?\]: p4 make things complicated
Xorax [2k\]: still s2?
Solaris [8d?\]: yes,]
;W[po]CR[po]C[ttt [-\]: ....black sacrifices two stones]
;B[oo]CR[oo]C[ttt [-\]: after which white can't seal the S6 side in sente]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[or]CR[or]
;W[nq]CR[nq]C[penguin [14k?\]: b omits in game]
;B[rp]CR[rp]
;W[on]CR[on]
;B[sq]CR[sq]
;W[no]CR[no]C[Solaris [8d?\]: this is possible i think])))
(;B[db]CR[db]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[ad]CR[ad]C[Tamsin [1d\]: sometimes I find it hard to tell the difference 
between forcing moves that make more aji and those that lose 
it
Solaris [8d?\]: just like this, and w have to capture this 3
ttt [-\]: even while white struggles to get to F14 first, he has 
left some big ko-threats for black to use
Solaris [8d?\]: and e16 become bad shape
Solaris [8d?\]: yes, f14 can be only gain for w
Solaris [8d?\]: if w get it
misterb [10k\]: ooh.. now that white has moved.. won't black return 
with the Q4 area?]))
(;W[pq]CR[pq]LB[qf:A][fq:B]C[Solaris [8d?\]: is like this and wait
Solaris [8d?\]: are miai
Solaris [8d?\]: so, no need to hurry
Solaris [8d?\]: and corner alredy good profit
Solaris [8d?\]: if w folow the solid way
Solaris [8d?\]: no corner problems
Solaris [8d?\]: and where b play now?
misterb [10k\]: F3
Solaris [8d?\]: if f3
Solaris [8d?\]: A and B are miai
Solaris [8d?\]: for w
Solaris [8d?\]: f3 let bad aji behind]
;B[fq]CR[fq]C[Solaris [8d?\]: as we said]
;W[qf]CR[qf]C[Solaris [8d?\]: w r14]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[pj]CR[pj]C[Solaris [8d?\]: if normal moves
Solaris [8d?\]: w no reason to feel bad
Solaris [8d?\]: get a nice moyo on left
Solaris [8d?\]: b?
Solaris [8d?\]: next move
misterb [10k\]: K4 ?
Solaris [8d?\]: yes, k4 is a good point]
;B[jp]CR[jp]
;W[of]CR[of]C[misterb [10k\]: now black would have to use R4 in some way I think
misterb [10k\]: can't let white have THAT much :p
Solaris [8d?\]: w keep building he's moyo
Solaris [8d?\]: yes, but is what want:)
misterb [10k\]: _everything_ :D
Solaris [8d?\]: to force b to start a fight in he's own area
Solaris [8d?\]: where w have advantage
Solaris [8d?\]: r17 is sharp move next for w
Solaris [8d?\]: if b dfeend]
;B[rd]CR[rd]LB[pl:B][cp:A]C[Solaris [8d?\]: i don't know :)
Solaris [8d?\]: w can inavde too]
(;W[cp]CR[cp]C[misterb [10k\]: I would have defended with R16 instead.. more 
solid.. R17 still has some aji..
Solaris [8d?\]: about same
Solaris [8d?\]: r16 and 17
Solaris [8d?\]: or w can defend right side])
(;W[pl]CR[pl]C[Solaris [8d?\]: possible too]
;B[co]CR[co]
;W[dj]CR[dj]C[misterb [10k\]: K16/17?
Solaris [8d?\]: w have to reduce b moyo now:)
misterb [10k\]: yeh
Solaris [8d?\]: k16 later]
;B[di]CR[di]
;W[ej]CR[ej]
;B[bk]CR[bk]
;W[hj]CR[hj]C[Solaris [8d?\]: a game:)
Solaris [8d?\]: w not bad
Solaris [8d?\]: can expand center 
misterb [10k\]: thanks for showing =)
Solaris [8d?\]: b quite low
Solaris [8d?\]: but this kind of movbes])))
(;W[db]CR[db]
;B[ce]CR[ce]C[ttt [-\]: no, it's been tried before]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[bb]CR[bb]
;B[cj]CR[cj]C[Solaris [8d?\]: well, i didn't say wasn't tried before
Solaris [8d?\]: i said never saw:)
ttt [-\]: roln111/ilya played it several times too
Solaris [8d?\]: like this w get a good aji]))
(;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[qo]CR[qo]
;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[po]CR[po]
;W[op]CR[op]
;B[qk]CR[qk]C[Solaris [8d?\]: if something like this happened
Willbrooks [4k\]: not bad
Solaris [8d?\]: can't say b get a disastrous result
Solaris [8d?\]: is like
wicket [1d\]: guess it's not the end of the world for B]
;AE[qk][po][qo][op][qp][qq][rq]C[Tamsin [1d\]: doesn't playing hane at q4 help B somewhat? I'd 
prefer q3
Solaris [8d?\]: is like w have this shimari
Solaris [8d?\]: and b play tsuke]PL[B]
;B[qp]CR[qp]C[Solaris [8d?\]: so, nothing unnatural
Solaris [8d?\]: timeing of tsuke can be questionable:)
Solaris [8d?\]: of r4
wicket [1d\]: k
Solaris [8d?\]: yes, q4 can help b a bit]))
