(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[David Ward]PB[Matthew Macfadyen]WR[4d]BR[6d]DT[2004-08-29]CP[British Go Association]EV[British Championship, title match]RO[3]PC[Mind Sports Olympiad, Manchester]AN[Wang Hongjun, 7p]US[Nick Wedd]C['Hongjun' is the professional commentator, Wang Hongjun 7p
'Tictactoe' is a strong Dutch player
'BGAadmin' is the recorder, initially Nick Wedd;  then in some later variations, is the players discussing the game with Wang Hongjun]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[df]CR[df]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[pg]CR[pg]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[qn]CR[qn]
;W[oo]CR[oo]
;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
(;W[de]CR[de]
;B[ed]CR[ed]
;W[ee]CR[ee]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[be]CR[be]
;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[fe]CR[fe]C[godzilla [6k\]: this variation hurts my head ... anyway to look at this joseki?
p0w3L3s5 [13k\]: no idea
deft [4d\]: what is B doing??? the ladder doesn't work...
p0w3L3s5 [13k\]: im thinking about it too
StuartP [15k\]: i would have thought b b14 first?
sebos2013 [14k\]: y fait un driving tesuji
Trumelunki [4d\]: Yes, very strange
p0w3L3s5 [13k\]: is b14 urgent?
StuartP [15k\]: but then i'm only 15k :)
godzilla [6k\]: i thought of F16 ... instead
StuartP [15k\]: i guess not
deft [4d\]: I'm sure he has a very cunning plan, though... maybe involving C18
]
;W[bb]CR[bb]
;B[ef]CR[ef]
;W[bf]CR[bf]
;B[fq]CR[fq]C[Hongjun [?\]: this result favours black
]
;W[cn]CR[cn]C[Hongjun [?\]: since black is thick on top left, the white stones on right side 
Hongjun [?\]: position are not good
]
;B[pq]CR[pq]C[Hongjun [?\]: white play q7 for next move is normal
]
;W[pm]CR[pm]
(;B[pn]CR[pn]
;W[on]CR[on]C[Tictactoe [-\]: so only stone B14 is in low position, and thus the upperleft pattern is advantuous for black
Hongjun [?\]: black chose to fight
]
(;B[ro]CR[ro]C[Tictactoe [-\]: that is pretty common for the defending champion
Hongjun [?\]: b14 is also a big move
Hongjun [?\]: yes
Hongjun [?\]: now white should play o8
]
;W[gc]CR[gc]C[Tictactoe [-\]: G17 feels slow, not defending cuttingpoint might be dangerous
Hongjun [?\]: this move is questionable
Hongjun [?\]: yes, this is a small move 
Tictactoe [-\]: yes it won't force black to answer locally
Hongjun [?\]: yes
Hongjun [?\]: and the it difficult for both black and white to build territory on top
Tictactoe [-\]: sure side O18 still open
Tictactoe [-\]: and j17 can just plunge in at any time
Hongjun [?\]: yes, and locally, there is bad aji if black play c18 in the future, 
Tictactoe [-\]: to cut of G17 from the corner indeed
Hongjun [?\]: yes, now black cut at p7 is severe
Hongjun [?\]: this move is not good
Hongjun [?\]: g17 I mean
Hongjun [?\]: it should be at o8
Hongjun [?\]: top side is difficult to build territory for both black and white
]
;B[pi]CR[pi]C[Tictactoe [-\]: in europe there is a saying : cut first then think. So i wonder what takes him so long :)
Hongjun [?\]: this move seems not so good
Hongjun [?\]: the white three stone on top is not easy to attack
Hongjun [?\]: and black is not easy to build territpry on right hand side
Tictactoe [-\]: so white needs to play O8 or P9?
Hongjun [?\]: so it seems black played in wrong direction
Hongjun [?\]: o8 
Hongjun [?\]: is the better shape and direction
Hongjun [?\]: wrong direction
]
;W[nl]CR[nl]C[Tictactoe [-\]: so David agrees with you, he must be a strong player too, the match is at 1-1 now
]
;B[ni]CR[ni]C[Hongjun [?\]: oh, the last game was a nice game
Hongjun [?\]: this is the right move in this position
Hongjun [?\]: I mean black o11
Tictactoe [-\]: yes pity that we don't have a pointingstick 
]
;W[oc]CR[oc]C[Hongjun [?\]: this is the move I thought w p17
Hongjun [?\]: or else black will play n16
Hongjun [?\]: to attack white's group
Hongjun [?\]: because of the wrong diretion of q11, now th position is equel again
]
;B[ld]CR[ld]C[Hongjun [?\]: black chose fighting again
Tictactoe [-\]: white should try to move out into the centre with the P16 group, isn't it?
Hongjun [?\]: yes, I agree
Hongjun [?\]: maybe n14
Tictactoe [-\]: N14 is nice , aims at L15 to follow-up
Hongjun [?\]: yes. 
Hongjun [?\]: maybe black can not attack white effectively if white play n14
]
;W[mg]CR[mg]C[Hongjun [?\]: I think  n14 is better then this move.
Hongjun [?\]: white's shape is not very good. this move leave a weak point 
Hongjun [?\]: at q13
]
;B[ng]CR[ng]C[Hongjun [?\]: maybe white can only play at n14 now
Tictactoe [-\]: yes white's shape gets a cuttingpoint here, which wouldn't be the case if white had moved N14
]
(;W[nf]CR[nf]
;B[og]CR[og]C[Hongjun [?\]: I think o14 should be at n14
BGAadmin [-\]: maybe p14 at n15?
]
(;W[of]CR[of]C[Hongjun [?\]: black cut at n14 is the only move
]
(;B[mf]CR[mf]C[Hongjun [?\]: yes, this is the only move.
Tictactoe [-\]: so white is slightly in trouble
Hongjun [?\]: yes, I think so
Tictactoe [-\]: B has used 32 of his 180 minutes;  W, 61
BGAadmin [-\]: 34, 64, now
Tictactoe [-\]: would you say they play slow Hongjun?
Tictactoe [-\]: here we expected N14 instead
]
;W[me]CR[me]C[Hongjun [?\]: n
BGAadmin [-\]: is 50 best?
BGAadmin [-\]: can W r14 and fight?
Hongjun [?\]: p14?
]
;B[lf]CR[lf]
;W[le]CR[le]
;B[ke]CR[ke]
;W[kf]CR[kf]
;B[lg]CR[lg]C[Hongjun [?\]: w played a bit slow
BGAadmin [-\]: those six moves were played within six seconds  :)
Tictactoe [-\]: i mean in aspect to time-usage
]
;W[kd]CR[kd]
;B[je]CR[je]C[Hongjun [?\]: for six hours game, I think they played  quite fast 
]
;W[jd]CR[jd]C[Hongjun [?\]: they are playing a s the variation I ahowed before
Hongjun [?\]: but k16 is differant
Hongjun [?\]: there is bad aji left at q14
Tictactoe [-\]: yes that makes still use of stone M16
]
;B[pf]CR[pf]C[Tictactoe [-\]: in china they use the term aji too?
Hongjun [?\]: now?
Hongjun [?\]: no, we say , 'wei dao'
Hongjun [?\]: I think q14 maybe better to play j16 
Hongjun [?\]: now white can play atari at L13 then j15
Tictactoe [-\]: yes all whites safely connected
Tictactoe [-\]: so j16 would be a ladderbraker
Tictactoe [-\]: shicho-ate in japanese
Hongjun [?\]: yes, that's right
Hongjun [?\]: and make white in bad shape
Tictactoe [-\]: like in any sport, make opponent stand on wrong foot 
Hongjun [?\]: yes
Hongjun [?\]: I feel black q14 is to ealy
Hongjun [?\]: early
Hongjun [?\]: to make the out side thick is more importan at this moment
BGAadmin [-\]: what if 60 at n16?
Hongjun [?\]: yes, it's another choice
BGAadmin [-\]: I planned j16 to stop ladder, but maybe too thin?
Hongjun [?\]: in that case black have to play j15
BGAadmin [-\]: then r14 and we have a different game
]
(;W[ie]CR[ie]
;B[ne]CR[ne]
;W[md]CR[md]C[Tictactoe [-\]: so David forgot to make the L13 forcing move in time
BGAadmin [-\]: how about 62 capture? makes more points
]
;B[nd]CR[nd]C[Hongjun [?\]: yes, play L13 first maybe better
]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[jf]CR[jf]
;B[lp]CR[lp]C[Tictactoe [-\]: so it turned out on a big exchange
BGAadmin [-\]: who gained from the exchange?
Hongjun [?\]: yes, it' s a bi g exchange. maybe little bit favous white
Tictactoe [-\]: i would say black won 4 stones, white only three
Hongjun [?\]: since white was in trouble before the exchange
Tictactoe [-\]: yes Q14 was to impatient, that had to be J16
Hongjun [?\]: yes.
Hongjun [?\]: but black is still leading
Hongjun [?\]: after white captured two stones on top, the black group on left is not thick any more
Hongjun [?\]: but white has to deal with it own weak group first
BGAadmin [-\]: at m4 I felt Black ahead
Hongjun [?\]: yes, black is ahead
]
;W[ip]CR[ip]C[Hongjun [?\]: white play m6 is normal
Hongjun [?\]: since black is leading 
Hongjun [?\]: maybe white thinks he has to take risks
Hongjun [?\]: this move seems an overplay to me
Hongjun [?\]: if black plays n7 for the next move, white will be in trouble 
BGAadmin [-\]: j4 perhaps too hasty
]
;B[dq]CR[dq]C[Hongjun [?\]: the attacking at n7 maybe more severe
]
;W[cq]CR[cq]
;B[ep]CR[ep]C[Hongjun [?\]: black is making the game complicated
BGAadmin [-\]: I thought n7 would n ot kill
Hongjun [?\]: n7 would make j4 in danger
BGAadmin [-\]: ok
]
;W[dr]CR[dr]
;B[do]CR[do]
;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[er]CR[er]
;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[fo]CR[fo]C[Hongjun [?\]: black lost points in corner first
]
;W[co]CR[co]
;B[in]CR[in]
;W[gp]CR[gp]
;B[fp]CR[fp]C[Hongjun [?\]: h6 is the only move
Hongjun [?\]: for white
BGAadmin [-\]: who is leading now?
Tictactoe [-\]: perhaps black is confident in the splitting attack
Hongjun [?\]: yes, black is trying to play splitting attack. it's hard to say who is leading
Tictactoe [-\]: yes assessment of who has which amount of points is usually done just after the fighting has ended
Hongjun [?\]: Iel is not necessary to make the game so complicated
]
(;W[kp]CR[kp]C[Hongjun [?\]: yes, but I feel white is 
BGAadmin [-\]: W has gained a solid corner;  B a splitting attack that might not work?
Tictactoe [-\]: if you feel being behind, make the game more complex is applying perhaps
Tictactoe [-\]: often both players think they are behind :)
Hongjun [?\]: L4 must play h6
BGAadmin [-\]: then j7?
Hongjun [?\]: b j7?
Hongjun [?\]: g6 w
BGAadmin [-\]: yes, o8 group will die?
BGAadmin [-\]: then e7 Black
Hongjun [?\]: not easy
]
;B[lo]CR[lo]C[Hongjun [?\]: this seems a bad plan for white
Hongjun [?\]: white g8
]
;W[jn]CR[jn]C[Hongjun [?\]: white put the group on right in pressure in game
Tictactoe [-\]: F4 is heavy group, so it will be nice to eat it :)
Tictactoe [-\]: however black has still some escape routes
Hongjun [?\]: white's group is easier to be eat  i think :)
BGAadmin [-\]: This will be the sealed move
Hongjun [?\]: ok
BGAadmin [-\]: you will not see it for about an hour
Hongjun [?\]: bye for now
Tictactoe [-\]: thx for all the translations mrs. Wong
Hongjun [?\]: my pleasure!
BGAadmin [-\]: We will be restarting early - in five or ten minutes
BGAadmin [-\]: I wonder if you have guessed where the sealed move is
Hongjun [?\]: :)
Hongjun [?\]:   :-)
]
(;B[mm]CR[mm]C[Hongjun [?\]: good move!
Hongjun [?\]: this will be the decisive battle

[ this was the sealed move \]]
;W[im]CR[im]C[Hongjun [?\]: if both white groups alive, white will be ahead on territory]
;B[hn]CR[hn]C[Hongjun [?\]: for black,  the best result will be kill the white froup first than make alive the left black group
BGAadmin [-\]: is that possible?
Hongjun [?\]: yes, it is possible.
Hongjun [?\]: black can kill the white group with one more move, but white is difficult to kill the black group with one move
]
;W[km]CR[km]C[Hongjun [?\]: I feel white is in trouble
]
;B[ml]CR[ml]C[Hongjun [?\]: the white group seems already dead 
Tictactoe [-\]: so whites last chance is capturing one of the leftside groups
Hongjun [?\]: yes, I agree with you
BGAadmin [-\]: but n8 seems to kill?
]
;W[hm]CR[hm]C[Hongjun [?\]: but it's difficult to kill either of the groups. so black is leading
Tictactoe [-\]: altough the turtle is said to be slow, it is hard to get a turtleshell
Hongjun [?\]: :-)
BGAadmin [-\]: hard to _catch_ a turtle
]
;B[gn]CR[gn]C[Tictactoe [-\]: so we focus on the lower left group of black
Hongjun [?\]: ok
Hongjun [?\]: the strongest move for white maybe at f7
]
(;W[ln]CR[ln]
;B[mn]CR[mn]C[Hongjun [?\]: now is the game
Tictactoe [-\]: so instead F7 at G2 perhaps
Hongjun [?\]: if white plays g2, black will play f8
Hongjun [?\]: unlikely to be killed
Tictactoe [-\]: yes running to open field is always good
Hongjun [?\]: yes
Tictactoe [-\]: defending wG2 bF2 wouldn't be good
]
;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[gm]CR[gm]C[Hongjun [?\]: yes, bf2 no good. g7 seems a bit slow
]
;W[gl]CR[gl]
;B[fl]CR[fl]C[Hongjun [?\]: f9 is the only move for white
]
;W[fk]CR[fk]
;B[gk]CR[gk]
;W[hl]CR[hl]
;B[ek]CR[ek]
;W[fj]CR[fj]
;B[em]CR[em]
;W[ej]CR[ej]
;B[dj]CR[dj]C[Hongjun [?\]: d10 seems questionable
Hongjun [?\]: it will give bad effect to the upper black group
Tictactoe [-\]: yes this is the stback of blacks slower G7
Hongjun [?\]: yes, it would be better to play f8
Tictactoe [-\]: matthew might be thinking he can play ko here
Hongjun [?\]: it will be difficult to find ko threats which big enough
Hongjun [?\]: varation
Tictactoe [-\]: combined attack on both groups is whites hope
]
(;W[dk]CR[dk]
;B[el]CR[el]C[Hongjun [?\]: yes. when black is leading, he made the game complicated again
Hongjun [?\]: white plays c9 directly will be not good, black can d6 make alive, it's more difficult to kill the upper black group than to  play 
Hongjun [?\]: d11
Hongjun [?\]: d11
BGAadmin [-\]: so you think 108 at d11 was last chance?
Hongjun [?\]: yes
BGAadmin [-\]: does black need to live at the top?
Tictactoe [-\]: no even if white gets f17 black will win
Hongjun [?\]: after d11, black has to make the lower group alive first
Hongjun [?\]: or else w d6
BGAadmin [-\]: yes, play c10
BGAadmin [-\]: tha
BGAadmin [-\]: en b
BGAadmin [-\]: w c11, I planned black e11
Hongjun [?\]: c11 still sente
Hongjun [?\]: c10 after d6?
Hongjun [?\]: b c10 after w d6?
BGAadmin [-\]: c8 will live
BGAadmin [-\]: w e6 sente but Black g5 threatens 2 eyes
Hongjun [?\]: g5?
BGAadmin [-\]: perhaps h4 then g5, but White can't e6 wit
BGAadmin [-\]: th sente
Hongjun [?\]: white d11, what b play?
BGAadmin [-\]: c10
Hongjun [?\]: w c11 
BGAadmin [-\]: b e11
Hongjun [?\]: what b play?
BGAadmin [-\]: e11
]
(;W[ck]CR[ck]C[Hongjun [?\]: now black  play s e6 is the simple to make alive
Tictactoe [-\]: yes D6 or H3 make black alive on the lowerside, so he has his hands free to go to the topgroup with this move
Hongjun [?\]: simple way
]
;B[dn]CR[dn]C[Tictactoe [-\]: 4 in a row to make life
Hongjun [?\]: yes, sorry d6
Tictactoe [-\]: i mistype very often too, the audience gets used to such things
Hongjun [?\]: thanks
Hongjun [?\]: the only hope for white is to kill the upper black group now
]
;W[di]CR[di]C[Tictactoe [-\]: running after that turtle again :)
Hongjun [?\]: seems will not work
Tictactoe [-\]: should black play F17 or G16?
Hongjun [?\]: c9 better to play d11
BGAadmin [-\]: do you think White has any chance to kill after 110
Hongjun [?\]: no
BGAadmin [-\]: so black has won after 110?
Hongjun [?\]: if black plays in correct way
]
;B[cb]CR[cb]C[Tictactoe [-\]: this is nice timing
Hongjun [?\]: not sure, maybe black can play f13 instead of c18
Tictactoe [-\]: white to play at F13 now and make a battle
]
(;W[ac]CR[ac]C[Hongjun [?\]: i think white must answer 
]
;B[gg]CR[gg]C[Hongjun [?\]: yes, that's right
Tictactoe [-\]: this move makes a good feeling, it makes life in the direction of the centre, before whites makes his points there
Hongjun [?\]: difficult to kill black's group
Tictactoe [-\]: yes white is short on terrain
]
;W[gf]CR[gf]C[Hongjun [?\]: if black makes alive, the game is over pratically
BGAadmin [-\]: B has used 65 minutes;  W 150
Tictactoe [-\]: being ten points behind in the endgame isn't so bad for us amatures, we make 30 points out of nothing in the endgame :)
Hongjun [?\]: oh :-)
]
;B[dh]CR[dh]C[Hongjun [?\]: variation
]
(;W[eh]CR[eh]
;B[eg]CR[eg]C[Hongjun [?\]: this is the game
Hongjun [?\]: variation
Tictactoe [-\]: yes white must be worried over this postion 
Hongjun [?\]: white can only play f12, or else the game will be too simple to black
Hongjun [?\]: variation
]
(;W[ch]CR[ch]
;B[fh]CR[fh]C[Hongjun [?\]: too simple for black play goes this way
]
;W[dg]CR[dg]
;B[hf]CR[hf]C[Hongjun [?\]: h11
Hongjun [?\]: sente
]
;W[ge]CR[ge]C[Hongjun [?\]: black can play h11 after this 
Hongjun [?\]: after
Tictactoe [-\]: G9 is still helpingstone
Hongjun [?\]: yes
]
;B[ih]CR[ih]C[Tictactoe [-\]: running to M13 is also good for making life
Hongjun [?\]: yes, black has come out any way
Tictactoe [-\]: a desperate M10 perhaps
Hongjun [?\]: good idea in this position
Hongjun [?\]: but still unlikly to kill the black group
Tictactoe [-\]: well i am trying to play on black nerve and scretly make P6 alive :)
Tictactoe [-\]: secretly
Hongjun [?\]: I see
Tictactoe [-\]: each year we are for the challenger, since black Matthew won the championship so many times
]
;W[ji]CR[ji]
;B[kg]CR[kg]C[Tictactoe [-\]: so there are two big endgame left E18/F17 and R15/O18
Tictactoe [-\]: R15 won't work white himself is short on liberties
Hongjun [?\]: I think if  white can not kill the group, the territory will be far behind 
Tictactoe [-\]: yes i count more or less a 10 point lead
Hongjun [?\]: probably when white play c12, he didn't notice that his terriroty will not be enough
Tictactoe [-\]: true counting is very hard
]
;W[ig]CR[ig]
;B[hh]CR[hh]C[Tictactoe [-\]: now G10 threatens to walk
Hongjun [?\]: yes.
Hongjun [?\]: black is alive
]
;W[jh]CR[jh]
;B[gj]CR[gj]C[Hongjun [?\]: black is leading by more than 25 points now
]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[mq]CR[mq]C[Tictactoe [-\]: so we expect some last impossible sequence of david before he throws in the towel
]
;W[ij]CR[ij]
;B[gd]CR[gd]C[Hongjun [?\]: what does that mean - 'throws in the towel'?
Tictactoe [-\]: like in boxing
]
;W[he]CR[he]C[Tictactoe [-\]: resigning, before you get killed
]
;B[eb]CR[eb]C[Hongjun [?\]: i see
Tictactoe [-\]: afterall wei qi is friendly sport, nobody needs to get hurt 
Hongjun [?\]: black is playing big yose move before makealive
Hongjun [?\]: yes, I agree
Hongjun [?\]: if white plays g11, black can makea eye on top
Hongjun [?\]: with e17, then g18
]
(;W[gb]CR[gb]
;B[fi]CR[fi]C[Hongjun [?\]: this is simple for black
]
;W[ei]CR[ei]
;B[hj]CR[hj]
;W[lj]CR[lj]
;B[mk]CR[mk]
;W[lr]CR[lr]C[Hongjun [?\]: I think maybe white has no time to count the territory
Tictactoe [-\]: yes i advise my students to count before entering in byoyomi
Tictactoe [-\]: but the problem is they don't trust there own counting
Tictactoe [-\]: their
Hongjun [?\]: good advise
]
;B[nb]CR[nb]C[Hongjun [?\]: big move
]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[ob]CR[ob]C[Hongjun [?\]: the biggest on board
]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[mj]CR[mj]
;B[nj]CR[nj]
;W[dm]CR[dm]
;B[gr]CR[gr]
;W[en]CR[en]
;B[eo]CR[eo]
;W[dl]CR[dl]
;B[fn]CR[fn]C[Hongjun [?\]: black g2 plays d8 first would be better
]
;W[ca]CR[ca]C[Hongjun [?\]: but it doesn't matter the result
]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[jl]CR[jl]C[BGAadmin [-\]: White has resigned
Hongjun [?\]: yes, no chance for winning
BGAadmin [-\]: Many thanks to commentator Wang Hongjun, and his wife and translator Liu Yajie
Tictactoe [-\]: <claps for both player>
BGAadmin [-\]: also to Tictactoe for his assistance
Hongjun [?\]: thanks
BGAadmin [-\]: will the commentators be willing to discuss the game with the players now?
Tictactoe [-\]: Thank you all for watching this event Matthew leads the match 2-1
Tictactoe [-\]: if the players aren't to exhausted
BGAadmin [-\]: they would like to discuss it
Hongjun [?\]: ok
BGAadmin [-\]: I am handing BGAadmin over to the players
BGAadmin [-\]: hello can we get the comments please
])
(;W[gi]CR[gi]
;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[ca]CR[ca]
;B[gb]CR[gb]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[hc]CR[hc]
;W[hb]CR[hb]
;B[ib]CR[ib]C[Tictactoe [-\]: white has used all his time in the game now
]
;W[fb]CR[fb]
;B[ha]CR[ha]
;W[ea]CR[ea]
;B[fd]CR[fd]
;W[fa]CR[fa]
;B[ga]CR[ga]
;W[da]CR[da]
;B[hd]CR[hd]))
(;W[ch]CR[ch]
;B[fh]CR[fh]
;W[dg]CR[dg]
;B[ih]CR[ih]C[Hongjun [?\]: black has come out 
Tictactoe [-\]: and white stil needs defend f17
])
(;W[fh]CR[fh]
;B[ci]CR[ci]
;W[cg]CR[cg]
;B[ei]CR[ei]
;W[fi]CR[fi]
;B[fg]CR[fg]
;W[hi]CR[hi]C[Hongjun [?\]: still complicated
]))
(;W[eh]CR[eh]
;B[eg]CR[eg]
;W[fh]CR[fh]
;B[ci]CR[ci]
;W[cj]CR[cj]
;B[bh]CR[bh]))
(;W[fg]CR[fg]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[ba]CR[ba]
;B[ca]CR[ca]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[bg]CR[bg]C[Hongjun [?\]: variation
Tictactoe [-\]: and white will be caught at the leftside
]))
(;W[di]CR[di]
;B[cj]CR[cj]
;W[ci]CR[ci]
;B[ei]CR[ei]
;W[ck]CR[ck]
;B[bj]CR[bj]
;W[fi]CR[fi]
;B[eh]CR[eh]
;W[dn]CR[dn]
;B[bi]CR[bi]C[Hongjun [?\]: b9
]
;W[bk]CR[bk]
;B[hj]CR[hj]C[Hongjun [?\]: maybe f12
]
;W[fh]CR[fh]
;B[ir]CR[ir]C[Tictactoe [-\]: or else G12 to more safe
Hongjun [?\]: k2
]
;W[jr]CR[jr]
;B[gr]CR[gr]C[Hongjun [?\]: h3
]
;W[hq]CR[hq]
;B[hr]CR[hr]C[Hongjun [?\]: e6
]
;W[en]CR[en]
;B[fs]CR[fs]C[Tictactoe [-\]: orders graveyard lot
Hongjun [?\]: it is obviously better than the game
Hongjun [?\]: g3
]
;W[gq]CR[gq]
;B[go]CR[go]C[BGAadmin [-\]: no good, I died in gote
BGAadmin [-\]: plan is k8 and expand the centre while ,losiong the fight
Hongjun [?\]: b has no many liberties
BGAadmin [-\]: ok, Many thanks for comments
Hongjun [?\]: k9, ok, htanks
BGAadmin [-\]: bye
Tictactoe [-\]: good night Hongjun
Hongjun [?\]: good night
Hongjun [?\]: bye
]))
(;W[dk]CR[dk]
;B[el]CR[el]
;W[di]CR[di]
;B[cj]CR[cj]
;W[ci]CR[ci]C[Hongjun [?\]: the upper black group is in danger
Tictactoe [-\]: F13 to be the attckingpoint
Hongjun [?\]: yes, and there is still  a weak point at d6 for black
]))
(;W[fm]CR[fm]
;B[jo]CR[jo]C[Hongjun [?\]: variation
]
;W[ko]CR[ko]
;B[jp]CR[jp]
;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[io]CR[io]
;W[kr]CR[kr]
;B[iq]CR[iq]C[Tictactoe [-\]: black is alive then it seems
Hongjun [?\]: it seems black has enough eye space
BGAadmin [-\]: more moves played now
]))
(;B[jo]CR[jo]))
(;W[hn]CR[hn]C[Tictactoe [-\]: yes did you expect H6 too ?
]
;B[ho]CR[ho]
;W[io]CR[io]
;B[hm]CR[hm]
;W[gn]CR[gn]
;B[go]CR[go]
;W[ko]CR[ko]C[Tictactoe [-\]: yes sacrifice one for the sake of the others
Hongjun [?\]: yes, this is what I thought
]))
(;W[kg]CR[kg]
;B[lh]CR[lh]
;W[ie]CR[ie]
;B[ne]CR[ne]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[jf]CR[jf]))
(;B[mf]CR[mf]
;W[me]CR[me]
;B[lf]CR[lf]
;W[le]CR[le]
;B[ke]CR[ke]
;W[kf]CR[kf]
;B[lg]CR[lg]
;W[kd]CR[kd]
;B[je]CR[je]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[mh]CR[mh]C[Hongjun [?\]: black got a thick wall if play goes this way
Hongjun [?\]: good for black
]))
(;W[me]CR[me]
;B[of]CR[of]
;W[oe]CR[oe]
;B[pf]CR[pf]C[Hongjun [?\]: better than the game
]
;W[he]CR[he]))
(;W[nf]CR[nf]
;B[og]CR[og]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[mf]CR[mf]C[Hongjun [?\]: this is no good for white 
]))
(;B[om]CR[om]C[Hongjun [?\]: if black cuts
]
;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[ro]CR[ro]
;W[mn]CR[mn]C[Hongjun [?\]: it will be a fighting game
Hongjun [?\]: hard to say favours which side
]))
(;B[ro]CR[ro]
;W[nl]CR[nl]C[Hongjun [?\]: this sequence is normal
]))
(;W[bb]CR[bb]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[ed]CR[ed]C[StuartP [15k\]: i wouldn't have thought Matthew would do that
]
;W[ee]CR[ee]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[be]CR[be]
;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[ca]CR[ca]
;B[ef]CR[ef]C[Hongjun [?\]: this is a normal variation 
Tictactoe [-\]: yes this is a wellknown pattern, but i feel it's slightly better for black
Hongjun [?\]: about equal
deft [4d\]: B played one more move
Hongjun [?\]: because black spend one more move here
Hongjun [?\]: yes, that's right
]))
