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GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[Many Faces of Go:11.0]
SZ[19]
HA[0]
ST[0]
PW[Matthew Macfadyen]
PB[David Ward]
DT[2004-10-09]
PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]
KM[6.5]
TM[180]
RU[Japanese]
AN[Alexandre Dinerchtein 1p]
US[Nick Wedd]
EV[British Go Championship, title match]
CP[British Go Association]
BR[6d]
WR[4d]
RO[4]
OT[3x30 byo-yomi]CA[UTF-8];B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[qp]
C[breakfast [1p\]: well, i am ready to start]
CR[qp]
;W[ep]
C[HolyHell [?\]: Happy commenting.
breakfast [1p\]: As usual Macfadyen is reasy to fight
breakfast [1p\]: from the early begining
breakfast [1p\]: thx
breakfast [1p\]: All of the previous games were really exciting
playgo [3k\]: can we also make comments ?
breakfast [1p\]: sure
breakfast [1p\]: and pls ask the queastions about the game
breakfast [1p\]: Here B is thinking about 2 moves
breakfast [1p\]: A is the most solid one]
LB[oq:A][cp:B]
CR[ep]
;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[qj]
C[breakfast [1p\]: White is trying to avoid shimari
breakfast [1p\]: Probably Macfadyen prepared another trick move \
:)
breakfast [1p\]: almost each game has it's own new joseki
breakfast [1p\]: Ward was tricked few times
bubulle [1d\]: trying to protect the weakness of the oo-keima \
?
breakfast [1p\]: A or B are the common moves here]
LB[ql:A][qk:B]
CR[qj]

(;B[qn]
C[breakfast [1p\]: the move in the real game is really strange
breakfast [1p\]: we can call it a mistake]
CR[qn]

(;W[cp]
C[breakfast [1p\]: tennuki is rather strange too]
CR[cp]
;B[qg]
C[breakfast [1p\]: An excellent point
breakfast [1p\]: now the marked stone is weak
breakfast [1p\]: and if the stone is weak
breakfast [1p\]: W cannot play actively
playgo [3k\]: somehow R6 doesnt look bad anymore
breakfast [1p\]: by invading at A or B
breakfast [1p\]: now R6 is a good stone]
LB[pq:B][qc:A]
TR[qj]
CR[qg]

(;W[jd]
C[breakfast [1p\]: Extension is a good choice
breakfast [1p\]: better to sacrifice the stone
breakfast [1p\]: It is not easy for B to kill it with the single \
move]
CR[jd]

(;B[cf]
C[breakfast [1p\]: so, tennuki is natural for Black
breakfast [1p\]: W has a choice
breakfast [1p\]: take cash or
breakfast [1p\]: attack
breakfast [1p\]: A is for territory
breakfast [1p\]: B or C for making moyo
breakfast [1p\]: D is good for creating the wall
breakfast [1p\]: A is not Macfadyen's style
breakfast [1p\]: he will try to play more actively
playgo [3k\]: does attacking mean that w has a possebility to \
help the R10 also?
breakfast [1p\]: interesting question
breakfast [1p\]: if the position is thick,
breakfast [1p\]: W can escape easily]
LB[di:C][ch:B][de:D][cd:A]
CR[cf]

(;W[de]CR[de]

(;B[bd]
C[breakfast [1p\]: sorry, missclick
breakfast [1p\]: again W has a choice'
breakfast [1p\]: 2 pincers at A or B
breakfast [1p\]: old japanese joseki at C
breakfast [1p\]: new korean joseki at D
breakfast [1p\]: and a trick move at E
machitens [5d?\]: B]
LB[dh:B][ch:A][dg:D][df:C][be:E]
CR[bd]

(;W[ch]
C[breakfast [1p\]: the real game
breakfast [1p\]: yes, probably the best choice
breakfast [1p\]: B has 2 possibilities
duck123456 [5d?\]: B
breakfast [1p\]: A or B
TimiS [1d\]: can you sohw us w trick move at E?
machitens [5d?\]: B
breakfast [1p\]: yes, B is the most common joseki
machitens [5d?\]: B
Billaben [7k\]: ah... predicting a move, but easy to predict that \
one, obviously the only choice to me too. =P
Billaben [7k\]: yes
HolyHell [?\]: BGA title match 4
treble [5k?\]: macfadyen v. ward
sheehan [2d?\]: what happens if b plays F14
breakfast [1p\]: B has 2 moves
Billaben [7k\]: where at ?
Namii [-\]: english game room
sheehan [2d?\]: after the exchange
Namii [-\]: under this game
HolyHell [?\]: Between Matthew Macfadyen, the defending BGA champion \
vs. David Ward, the challenger]
LB[df:B][cc:A]
CR[ch]

(;B[df]
C[Tenbatsu [6d\]: Black has just a straight line of stones, white \
has the corner but no real territory...
Billaben [7k\]: okay. back to reality. =P
breakfast [1p\]: hane is the old joseki
breakfast [1p\]: this one?]
CR[df]

(;W[ef]
C[JacquesGo [9k\]: Sorry : Not clear better for black 
breakfast [1p\]: the real game
breakfast [1p\]: yes, just a little bit better
breakfast [1p\]: not every trick move has a punishment
breakfast [1p\]: a great punishment, i mean
Billaben [7k\]: in that last sequence... B15-C15 B17 .... why \
would white not just extend to B14 ? black seems a liberty short \
to stop it
breakfast [1p\]: B 14 is possible
breakfast [1p\]: W can kill the corner, but
duck123456 [5d?\]: what is E14?
duck123456 [5d?\]: E13
breakfast [1p\]: he has to run a lot on the 2nd line
duck123456 [5d?\]: sorry]
CR[ef]
;B[eg]
C[playgo [3k\]: which one is better here ?
breakfast [1p\]: B made the right answer
breakfast [1p\]: the first one is comfortable for B]
CR[eg]

(;W[ff]
C[Billaben [7k\]: so what game are we actually watching ?]
CR[ff]
;B[cc]
C[breakfast [1p\]: the correct timing]
CR[cc]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[dh]
C[Billaben [7k\]: from what I see there are a lot of variations \
possible from here, white can't make a cut there and expect it \
to hold, too many weaknesses
breakfast [1p\]: the result here is clearly better for W
breakfast [1p\]: sorry
breakfast [1p\]: for Black
Billaben [7k\]: nice outcome yes
breakfast [1p\]: B has an excellent shape
Billaben [7k\]: white looks nice on the top side, and nothing \
on the left.
breakfast [1p\]: (the last move was not yet played)
breakfast [1p\]: yes, he did it
breakfast [1p\]: the only shape
sheehan [2d?\]: what about the variation at D12 for white]
CR[dh]
;W[cj]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B can think about tennuki
breakfast [1p\]: because the group is already alive
breakfast [1p\]: A and B are the largest places on the board
breakfast [1p\]: yes
Billaben [7k\]: yea, looks alive locally to me]
LB[gq:B][lc:A]
CR[cj]

(;B[lc]
C[breakfast [1p\]: this is the real game
Billaben [7k\]: so he chose M17 for tenuki ?
breakfast [1p\]: keima at A is painful for W
breakfast [1p\]: yes
sheehan [2d?\]: when B plays F14 variation, what about the B13 \
and D12 answer from W?
Goldenboy2 [2d\]: billaben> you have to play the big moves in \
fuseki so it's not early and it's probably sente
breakfast [1p\]: back to the real game
breakfast [1p\]: as i said before , this move is correct
sheehan [2d?\]: is A a must?
breakfast [1p\]: D11 instead is possible
breakfast [1p\]: nut slow
breakfast [1p\]: but slow]
LB[jb:A]
CR[lc]

(;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[di]
C[breakfast [1p\]: a good shape
Billaben [7k\]: is D11 the play ?
breakfast [1p\]: White is trying to get some sente moves first
sarmad [8k\]: w is preaparing for extension on lower side?
Goldenboy2 [2d\]: as w played C15]
CR[di]

(;B[fg]
C[breakfast [1p\]: so, B should run
breakfast [1p\]: to prevent sente-blocking]
CR[fg]
;W[gg]
C[Billaben [7k\]: and taking a cut there hurts, not because it kills \
the group, but because it removes all black aji in the center \
there
sarmad [8k\]: at F11?
HolyHell [?\]: Hah
breakfast [1p\]: here is the real game
breakfast [1p\]: no more moves
sarmad [8k\]: b has sente again
Billaben [7k\]: is G14 really necessary ?
Billaben [7k\]: oooh... a new stone is played. =P]
CR[gg]

(;B[ee]
C[Billaben [7k\]: black played a fierce one
breakfast [1p\]: looks like a probe
Billaben [7k\]: well he agreed with F15 I see]
CR[ee]
;W[fe]
C[breakfast [1p\]: atari was played]
CR[fe]
;B[ed]
C[Billaben [7k\]: looks like ajie to play G12 to me
breakfast [1p\]: now W has a choice
breakfast [1p\]: but the both variations are bad for W
Billaben [7k\]: so then the choice is.... let black through for \
the wall, or connect at D16]
CR[ed]

(;W[dd]CR[dd]

(;B[gh]
C[breakfast [1p\]: so, hane is a mistake
breakfast [1p\]: adjikeshi
breakfast [1p\]: destroying the adji]
CR[gh]
;W[hg]
C[breakfast [1p\]: 2 moves made
Billaben [7k\]: and white just replied yes. =P
breakfast [1p\]: looks like an adji keshi
breakfast [1p\]: W must be happy to defend the cutting point
Billaben [7k\]: black chose E11 instead]
CR[hg]

(;B[ei]
C[breakfast [1p\]: another mistake
Billaben [7k\]: now what will white do with sente
breakfast [1p\]: again B is making W stronger]
CR[ei]
;W[ej]CR[ej]
;B[fi]
C[breakfast [1p\]: W must say "thank you"
criminal [?\]: ^^
jotarokung [2d\]: :)
Billaben [7k\]: feels like a dig for sente, but not a useful one
breakfast [1p\]: time to find the nest important place
breakfast [1p\]: the local fight is finished
breakfast [1p\]: next, sorry
breakfast [1p\]: W can think about A, B, C or D
Dartagnate [23k?\]: next seams apporpriate, next + best = nest
breakfast [1p\]: any other opinions?
breakfast [1p\]: :)
mgoetze [2k\]: can you say something about q17 vs r17?
Juupeli [13k\]: r8?
Ridgeback [5k?\]: f10  :)
playgo [3k\]: why play for more thickness with F10 ?
criminal [?\]: c
ttt [-\]: yes mgoetze likes E at Q17]
LB[jq:D][iq:C][qc:B][jb:A]
CR[fi]

(;W[fj]CR[fj]

(;B[gj]
C[breakfast [1p\]: wrong shape again]
CR[gj]
;W[gk]CR[gk]
;B[hj]CR[hj]
;W[hk]CR[hk]
;B[ij]CR[ij]
;W[ik]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B played too many pass-moves
Billaben [7k\]: yea,,, I'm wondering why neither have broken away \
from this local situation yet, black is alive, and now is just \
running to help white it seems.
breakfast [1p\]: got nothing
breakfast [1p\]: right
breakfast [1p\]: Black's strategy is wrong
ttt [-\]: it's matthew's smile which makes moves more sente then \
others :)]
CR[ik]
;B[jk]
C[Billaben [7k\]: wanting aji in the center is nice and all, but \
not to this extreme
tudor [2d\]: how strong is ward?
playgo [3k\]: but doesnt R10 become weaker ?
breakfast [1p\]: here W has a choice
ttt [-\]: official 4d but he won over two 5d to qualify
breakfast [1p\]: cut or hane]
CR[jk]

(;W[jj]
C[Billaben [7k\]: he chose cut
breakfast [1p\]: yes, Macfadyens style
ttt [-\]: what else but cut :)
myao [8d?\]: nov. 5th, blindgo between Macfadyen and Bao Yun (eyes \
covered) in Gothenburg, SWEDEN!!
Caretaker [3d?\]: and live with r10]
CR[jj]
;B[ih]
C[breakfast [1p\]: can they finish the game with closed eyes?
Icharus [1k?\]: only Bao Yun is playing blindfolded though right \
myao?
myao [8d?\]: bao yun can, macfadyen ays as normal.
breakfast [1p\]: :)
Kuski [9k\]: =)
Icharus [1k?\]: wow
myao [8d?\]: Catalin 5p will give live comments!! so come to Sweden!!
Billaben [7k\]: impressive 
breakfast [1p\]: again W has a choice
breakfast [1p\]: to fight or to sacrifice
breakfast [1p\]: A or B
Billaben [7k\]: I smell fight
breakfast [1p\]: In my opinion A is better
mshealey [?\]: could white play r 17 soon
Billaben [7k\]: probably... let's see what white chooses.
breakfast [1p\]: no time for invasion
Icharus [1k?\]: breakfast, how would w play if b tenukied m9?
breakfast [1p\]: has to finish the central fight first
Icharus [1k?\]: ok, thankyou]
LB[jl:A][kj:B]
CR[ih]

(;W[jl]
C[breakfast [1p\]: which tennuki?
breakfast [1p\]: now?
Icharus [1k?\]: L10 K8 M9]
CR[jl]
;B[kk]
C[Icharus [1k?\]: no in the variation where w played l10]
CR[kk]

(;W[qq]CR[qq]

(;B[pp]
C[Billaben [7k\]: I like it breakfast... but black did not. =(
breakfast [1p\]: he just answered
breakfast [1p\]: too passive!
breakfast [1p\]: Black missed a nice chance]
CR[pp]
;W[kl]
C[ttt [-\]: could you show the ko-variation lowerright, alexandre, \
you are good at pounding variations at the board 
breakfast [1p\]: B has 2 possibilities
breakfast [1p\]: A or B
breakfast [1p\]: A is solid, but passive
breakfast [1p\]: probably not enough for Black
breakfast [1p\]: B is the most active way
Billaben [7k\]: yea.... there is R10 to consider
Icharus [1k?\]: how would w go about invading the top right corner \
shape?
breakfast [1p\]: So, B can only think about A or B]
LB[ll:B][lk:A]
CR[kl]

(;B[ll]
C[playgo [3k\]: this way b can still invade ?]
CR[ll]
;W[lk]CR[lk]
;B[kj]
C[Billaben [7k\]: what about black just going straight to toe bottom \
side to break this up a bit ?]
CR[kj]

(;W[kn]
C[breakfast [1p\]: iken tobi was played
Billaben [7k\]: white wants thickness
breakfast [1p\]: W is trying to keep the moyo, keeping the adji \
in reserve
breakfast [1p\]: so, the tennuki is risky
breakfast [1p\]: B must defend the centre]
CR[kn]

(;B[lm]
C[Ridgeback [5k?\]: J16 !?]
CR[lm]

(;W[jo]
C[breakfast [1p\]: W made another passive move
Billaben [7k\]: black apparently wants a war. =P]
CR[jo]

(;B[id]
C[breakfast [1p\]: interesting
breakfast [1p\]: but i don't think, that this is a good idea
Billaben [7k\]: that stone looks like an iron gauntlet to me. \
=P
Billaben [7k\]: it has just been thrown down. =P
breakfast [1p\]: yes, not easy to answer]
CR[id]

(;W[ic]
C[dragon2000 [3d\]: is it lecture?
breakfast [1p\]: hane was played
de [5d\]: j16b k15w j17 
ttt [-\]: so white J17 wasn't whites strongest reply]
CR[ic]
;B[hd]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B probably made the wrong move
breakfast [1p\]: W, sorry]
CR[hd]
;W[fd]
C[Billaben [7k\]: interesting to watch these sometimes... with a \
moyo game like this I kind of expected white to snap and go agressive \
first because of the apparent score, but oddly black picked a \
battle first.
breakfast [1p\]: i have no idea
breakfast [1p\]: too many variations here
Porcelina [1d?\]: b forgot to cut at k17]
CR[fd]

(;B[hc]
C[ttt [-\]: an optimist would say white dead :)
breakfast [1p\]: W must be careful here
breakfast [1p\]: because the group is not yet alive]
CR[hc]

(;W[jf]
C[breakfast [1p\]: well, this is the most simple way]
CR[jf]
;B[jc]
C[Billaben [7k\]: BGAadmin looks confused, keeps going back many \
moves]
CR[jc]

(;W[ji]
C[breakfast [1p\]: the real game
breakfast [1p\]: the plan looks interesting]
CR[ji]

(;B[jh]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B should keep the stones separated
breakfast [1p\]: and avoid damedzumari
breakfast [1p\]: yes, he made the same move
Billaben [7k\]: heheh... I had dreamed of some of those moves \
eariler actually, some definate possibilities in just bringing \
that aji to life here though
breakfast [1p\]: well, time to stop here
breakfast [1p\]: see you after an hour
Billaben [7k\]: an hour? smeg... guess I'm calling it a night \
then. will the game be on record somewhere ?
Woodstock [-\]: thanks, breakfast
Dartagnate [23k?\]: much appreciated breakfast
StuartP [15k\]: yes they normally post versions on the BGA website
Ridgeback [5k?\]: is K12 a forcing move so B can anticipate W's \
response??
Porcelina [1d?\]: thx
ndkrempel [9k\]: im going over to where its being played now :)
Ridgeback [5k?\]: or does W have equal options ?
Billaben [7k\]: L11 is the obvious reply, but breakfast was considering \
some variations which ignored that play
Billaben [7k\]: seems to me white is aiming at breaking into blacks \
center one way or another
Billaben [7k\]: meanwhile. I am aiming myself in the direction \
of my bed... night folks
BGAadmin [-\]: the players are back  -  play will resume in a \
few minutes
breakfast [1p\]: i am ready to continue
darkblue [?\]: Is there a clear lead now?
jrnl [?\]: any thoughts on the sealed move?
breakfast [1p\]: it seems, that W shall run at A
breakfast [1p\]: the game is slightly better for W in my opinion
breakfast [1p\]: but still very complicated

[ Here the players paused for lunch, White sealing the next move. \
\]]
LB[ki:A]
CR[jh]

(;W[ki]
C[[ This was the sealed move \]]
CR[ki]
;B[lj]
C[breakfast [1p\]: here is the real game]
CR[lj]

(;W[mk]
C[breakfast [1p\]: now?
playgo [3k\]: yes ?
breakfast [1p\]: looks like a mistake]
CR[mk]
;B[mj]
C[breakfast [1p\]: now the marked stones are almost captured]
TR[jj][ki][ji]
CR[mj]
;W[nk]
C[breakfast [1p\]: N9 is probably the losing move
breakfast [1p\]: B is thinking hard again
breakfast [1p\]: but he can only push at A
Joorin [7k\]: what happens if black tries to kill white now in \
upper left?
Joorin [7k\]: as you showed.
breakfast [1p\]: Black is probably thinking about iken tobi]
LB[nm:B][nj:A]
CR[nk]

(;B[nj]
C[breakfast [1p\]: well, he made a move]
CR[nj]

(;W[oj]
C[Porcelina [1d?\]: thx
breakfast [1p\]: the real game
breakfast [1p\]: must be an overplay
breakfast [1p\]: Can Black cut?
Ridgeback [5k?\]: cut ! :)]
CR[oj]

(;B[mh]
C[joshiva [2k\]: can w really claim the whole lower left quadrant?
breakfast [1p\]: not necessary for B to invade
Ridgeback [5k?\]: B hasnt played yet
breakfast [1p\]: this is the real game
breakfast [1p\]: B made iken tobi instead of cut
ViaGOra [11k?\]: BGA admin says he has
breakfast [1p\]: really bad move
playgo [3k\]: many shifts in the balance?
breakfast [1p\]: misses a nice chance to finish the game
ViaGOra [11k?\]: wants to kill top left?
Ridgeback [5k?\]: I have the BGA game open as well
Ridgeback [5k?\]: no move yet
breakfast [1p\]: A-B are miai points
ViaGOra [11k?\]: ohhh.
Ridgeback [5k?\]: o sorry
Porcelina [1d?\]: w n6?
Ridgeback [5k?\]: that was my View Offline copy :)]
LB[he:B][fb:A]
CR[mh]

(;W[mn]
C[breakfast [1p\]: very bad!
StuartP [15k\]: how so?
breakfast [1p\]: P9 was the only move
CBlue [8k?\]: $_$]
CR[mn]

(;B[nl]
C[breakfast [1p\]: greedy
ViaGOra [11k?\]: W=P8
breakfast [1p\]: not necessary for B to kill the whole group]
CR[nl]
;W[ol]CR[ol]
;B[nm]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B find the most difficult road
Joorin [7k\]: isnt Q9 white weak spot?]
CR[nm]

(;W[kh]
C[breakfast [1p\]: a brave move
StuartP [15k\]: do or die?
playgo [3k\]: but does it work ?
breakfast [1p\]: trying to cut everything]
CR[kh]
;B[kg]CR[kg]
;W[jg]
C[Xorax [3k\]: he prolly just threw a stone out without reading \
-.-
StuartP [15k\]: i doubt it
breakfast [1p\]: here is the real game
gromgull [12k\]: my 12k tells me black can cut at g14...
breakfast [1p\]: the next move is very important
breakfast [1p\]: Black can play at A or B]
LB[lh:A][hh:B]
CR[jg]

(;B[hh]
C[ViaGOra [11k?\]: B = H12
breakfast [1p\]: He connected at B]
CR[hh]
;W[lg]
C[breakfast [1p\]: now this is geta]
CR[lg]

(;B[oi]CR[oi]
;W[qm]
C[breakfast [1p\]: Black's moyo is completely destroyed
breakfast [1p\]: terrible result for B
playgo [3k\]: can b kill ?
breakfast [1p\]: i don't think so
Storken [14k\]: b q-6
breakfast [1p\]: the adji is bad]
CR[qm]
;B[pn]CR[pn]
;W[pi]CR[pi]
;B[oh]
C[breakfast [1p\]: they played the same moves]
CR[oh]

(;W[rh]
C[breakfast [1p\]: keima was played]
CR[rh]
;B[ig]
C[playgo [3k\]: keime better or worse then sagari ?
breakfast [1p\]: sagari seems better
breakfast [1p\]: because of the corner adji
breakfast [1p\]: at A
playgo [3k\]: easier to live ?]
LB[rq:A]
CR[ig]
;W[he]
C[breakfast [1p\]: yes
breakfast [1p\]: H15 is the only way to connect
Storken [14k\]: b j15 leads to ko?
breakfast [1p\]: Black probably missed the connection
breakfast [1p\]: it seems, that B missed this move
Mornelithe [10k\]: J 15
breakfast [1p\]: The fight is finished, all groups are alive
breakfast [1p\]: but Black got nothing
playgo [3k\]: nothing left to try ?
fatihsulak [2d\]: what about w H15 J14 J15 L14 K15 M15 L17 J18]
CR[he]

(;B[kf]CR[kf]

(;W[je]
C[breakfast [1p\]: A-B are miai points
breakfast [1p\]: if B ends in gote
erru [?\]: b g15?
breakfast [1p\]: time to resign
erru [?\]: ok
MysticoN [30k?\]: yes
breakfast [1p\]: O8 was the largest mistake today]
LB[le:B][kc:A]
TR[nl]
CR[je]

(;B[kc]
C[MysticoN [30k?\]: where you from breakfast ?]
CR[kc]

(;W[le]
C[breakfast [1p\]: chinese restaurant :)
playgo [3k\]: lol
MysticoN [30k?\]: huh  
MysticoN [30k?\]: germany ?
Joorin [7k\]: breakfast: just like lunch and dinner. ;)]
CR[le]
;B[lh]
C[MysticoN [30k?\]: which country do you come from =)
ShindouKun [?\]: hyungary :-)
breakfast [1p\]: B missed the last chance to invade
ShindouKun [?\]: hungary]
CR[lh]

(;W[lf]CR[lf]
;B[rg]
C[ShindouKun [?\]: He is from Russia, studied Go in Korean and is \
first westerner to be given professional status by Korean Baduk \
Professional Organization
breakfast [1p\]: S7 is necessary
breakfast [1p\]: thx, ShindouKun
MysticoN [30k?\]: nice
ShindouKun [?\]: And a really great teacher and go player... End \
plug
fatihsulak [2d\]: is S13 S7 exchange sood for black?
breakfast [1p\]: yes, because of the corner adji]
CR[rg]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[pg]
C[breakfast [1p\]: W is thinking about tennuki]
CR[pg]

(;W[qh]
C[breakfast [1p\]: S7 is the proper way to defend
jotarokung [2d\]: B k15 W h14 B g16 W g14 B f17 W e17 B f18?
breakfast [1p\]: but Macfadyen has a new plan]
CR[qh]

(;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[om]CR[om]
;B[nn]CR[nn]
;W[rm]
C[breakfast [1p\]: W is trying to keep sente
breakfast [1p\]: by sacrificing these stones
playgo [3k\]: but w doesnt need to cut yet]
CR[rm]

(;B[pm]CR[pm]

(;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[rl]CR[rl]
;W[qk]
C[ireul [24k?\]: and so.....black need to do is???
breakfast [1p\]: the most simple way for W is the invasion
breakfast [1p\]: at A or B
breakfast [1p\]: preparing the cut]
LB[qd:A][pc:B]
CR[qk]

(;B[md]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B defends
breakfast [1p\]: and missed the last chance to invade
fatihsulak [2d\]: what about bF18 
playgo [3k\]: does N16 also protect the corner 
breakfast [1p\]: yes, we can say so
ireul [24k?\]: can g 16 solve it?
vezniigost [?\]: no it's the fake eye :)]
CR[md]

(;W[nf]
C[ireul [24k?\]: :)
breakfast [1p\]: the peep was played
mariusds1 [6d\]: still aji in black uper right
fatihsulak [2d\]: where do you prefer do invade D3 or somewhere \
around J3 
breakfast [1p\]: D3 is a good probe]
CR[nf]

(;B[of]CR[of]
;W[ng]CR[ng]
;B[og]CR[og]

(;W[me]
C[breakfast [1p\]: time for tennuki
ireul [24k?\]: why m15 is needed?
ireul [24k?\]: n15
breakfast [1p\]: W is making the second eye]
CR[me]
;B[fb]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B is destroying the ko-threats
breakfast [1p\]: better to invade first]
CR[fb]

(;W[hf]
C[breakfast [1p\]: well, he made a good move too
CBlue [8k?\]: is w really alive without H14?
breakfast [1p\]: tennuki is not possible]
CR[hf]
;B[gq]CR[gq]
;W[eq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: E3 is simple
mariusds1 [6d\]: but i think is in the killing fields
Storken [14k\]: k-3?
breakfast [1p\]: not necessary for W to kill]
CR[eq]
;B[jq]
C[ireul [24k?\]: y not f3?]
CR[jq]

(;W[no]CR[no]

(;B[on]CR[on]

(;W[mq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: i don't think so
breakfast [1p\]: B is leading a lot
fatihsulak [2d\]: B?
breakfast [1p\]: W sorry
breakfast [1p\]: well, the move he just played is the best one, \
but
playgo [3k\]: G5 for b ?
breakfast [1p\]: not the most simple one]
CR[mq]

(;B[mp]
C[mariusds1 [6d\]: that bending did b no good]
CR[mp]

(;W[lq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: nobi was played]
CR[lq]

(;B[np]CR[np]
;W[kp]
C[breakfast [1p\]: now the game is over
ireul [24k?\]: cant g5?]
CR[kp]

(;B[kq]
C[ireul [24k?\]: sure...if b dead......w lead a lot]
CR[kq]
;W[lp]
C[breakfast [1p\]: it is not necessary for W to kill the group]
CR[lp]
;B[fr]
C[ireul [24k?\]: well~~just keep the game simple]
CR[fr]
;W[er]
C[goteki [1k\]: who played this game ?
goteki [1k\]: plz..
vezniigost [?\]: still are playing
Ventura [8k\]: its live
mshealey [?\]: Macfadyen 6d and Ward 4d
goteki [1k\]: ?
goteki [1k\]: ah
Fukurokuji [12k\]: Matthew Macfadyen vs David Ward
goteki [1k\]: brit go championship?
playgo [3k\]: look in the list, 2 demo
goteki [1k\]: ah sorry
vezniigost [?\]: yea
goteki [1k\]: i just got online
goteki [1k\]: k thx alot
vezniigost [?\]: and look at the bgaadmin account information \
for details]
CR[er]

(;B[hr]
C[breakfast [1p\]: the vital point
breakfast [1p\]: no other way to survive
breakfast [1p\]: the real game]
CR[hr]

(;W[bg]
C[breakfast [1p\]: yes, he did it]
CR[bg]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[go]
C[breakfast [1p\]: W is about 15 points ahead
breakfast [1p\]: as i counted before
breakfast [1p\]: W is leading by 15 points]
CR[go]
;B[hp]
C[Ventura [8k\]: overplay]
CR[hp]
;W[pc]
C[breakfast [1p\]: It seems that Macfadyen is playing in KGS tournament \
too
breakfast [1p\]: trying to finish the game quickly
breakfast [1p\]: :)
richieb [27k?\]: lol
CBlue [8k?\]: o_O
fatihsulak [2d\]: but white loses some points there
Tommell [1k\]: but b is in byo yomi - i'm not sure if he can think \
it out
fatihsulak [2d\]: is w still leading that much
breakfast [1p\]: right
breakfast [1p\]: W win the game even he cannot survive
Tommell [1k\]: he didn't
HalfPoint [8k\]: if White cannot survive, for what White makes \
the move at Q17? A generator of ko-threats?
fatihsulak [2d\]: S9 H5]
CR[pc]

(;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[qc]
C[breakfast [1p\]: not easy to kill]
CR[qc]
)
(;B[qc]
C[[ This move was entered by the recorder, by mistake, and soon \
corrected.  However it was the last move that Dinerchtein saw \
before he left. \]

breakfast [1p\]: i am playing at the tournament, so
breakfast [1p\]: we stop commentary here
breakfast [1p\]: W is leading a lot
cosmicbat [7k\]: good luck
maxmax [4k\]: thx
richieb [27k?\]: gl, and ty
breakfast [1p\]: and the result of the game is decided
Innocent [?\]: thanx]
TR[nl]
CR[qc]
;W[od]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B has no good answers]
CR[od]

(;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[ob]
C[BMW [?\]: what will you do if you get paried with 20k, win by \
.5 moku?
breakfast [1p\]: W is alive]
CR[ob]
)
(;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[nd]
C[breakfast [1p\]: good endgame tesuji
breakfast [1p\]: better to call it endgame trick]
CR[nd]
))
(;B[od]
C[breakfast [1p\]: this is the best answer
breakfast [1p\]: W cannot survive
breakfast [1p\]: all other moves are bad]
CR[od]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
))
(;W[go]
C[breakfast [1p\]: good enough for W]
CR[go]
;B[bh]CR[bh]
;W[bi]CR[bi]
;B[cg]
C[breakfast [1p\]: W must prevent this combination
breakfast [1p\]: by playing kosumi]
CR[cg]
))
(;B[go]CR[go]
;W[hr]
C[breakfast [1p\]: still B cannot jump]
CR[hr]
;B[gr]CR[gr]
;W[hp]
C[breakfast [1p\]: miai
goteki [1k\]: funny
ireul [24k?\]: of couse choose b
playgo [3k\]: looks close game to me]
LB[hq:B][gp:A]
CR[hp]
))
(;B[go]
C[mshealey [?\]: the players have 3 hours each plus overtime]
CR[go]
;W[hp]
C[Tommell [1k\]: but b's still playing..]
CR[hp]
;B[hq]CR[hq]
;W[gp]
C[breakfast [1p\]: even if B lives
ireul [24k?\]: i see
SilverKCGo [4k\]: do title games take longer than normal games?
breakfast [1p\]: he has not enough terr
GrandYan [11k\]: If B dies, time to resign then?]
CR[gp]
))
(;B[lp]CR[lp]
;W[np]
C[breakfast [1p\]: white's plan
breakfast [1p\]: A-B are miai points]
LB[oq:B][kp:A]
CR[np]

(;B[kq]CR[kq]
;W[nr]CR[nr]
;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[kp]CR[kp]
)
(;B[kp]CR[kp]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[nr]CR[nr]
;W[or]CR[or]
;B[pq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: looks like the last chance
breakfast [1p\]: trying to kill the whole group]
CR[pq]

(;W[pr]CR[pr]
;B[qr]CR[qr]
)
(;W[ln]
C[ireul [24k?\]: is n5 need?]
CR[ln]
;B[mo]CR[mo]
;W[mr]CR[mr]
))))
(;W[lp]
C[breakfast [1p\]: W can think about the hane]
CR[lp]

(;B[lq]CR[lq]
;W[kq]CR[kq]
;B[mr]CR[mr]
;W[kr]CR[kr]
;B[kp]CR[kp]
;W[jp]CR[jp]
;B[lo]CR[lo]
;W[iq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: good trade for W]
CR[iq]
)
(;B[mr]CR[mr]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[lr]CR[lr]
;W[np]CR[np]
;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[go]
C[breakfast [1p\]: also enough]
CR[go]
)))
(;B[go]CR[go]
;W[hp]
C[breakfast [1p\]: still cannot jump
mariusds1 [6d\]: exchange o5 on p6 is not good
playgo [3k\]: ah ok
mariusds1 [6d\]: b can cut]
LB[hq:B][gp:A]
CR[hp]
)
(;B[mr]CR[mr]
;W[lr]CR[lr]
;B[lq]CR[lq]
;W[kq]CR[kq]
;B[mp]CR[mp]
;W[kp]CR[kp]
;B[kr]
C[mariusds1 [6d\]: no]
CR[kr]
;W[jr]CR[jr]
;B[ls]CR[ls]

;W[iq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: white's plan
mariusds1 [6d\]: o5 for p6 to easy for w]
CR[iq]
))
(;W[go]CR[go]
;B[lq]CR[lq]
;W[bg]CR[bg]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[rk]
C[fatihsulak [2d\]: it seems close to me too but you know better \
than us
mariusds1 [6d\]: if b makes the bottom teritory
mariusds1 [6d\]: it will be clolose
breakfast [1p\]: W is 5 points ahead on the board
breakfast [1p\]: +komi]
CR[rk]
))
(;B[mo]
C[breakfast [1p\]: cut here?
mariusds1 [6d\]: yes
breakfast [1p\]: yes, seems better
fatihsulak [2d\]: L3 
mariusds1 [6d\]: very active]
CR[mo]
;W[mp]CR[mp]
;B[lo]CR[lo]
))
(;W[go]
C[fatihsulak [2d\]: but G3 isss very succesful now isnt he
breakfast [1p\]: enough for W
mariusds1 [6d\]: do u think?
breakfast [1p\]: yes, but W is trying to keep the game simple
mariusds1 [6d\]: i have counted
breakfast [1p\]: The proverb is:
playgo [3k\]: is there still a ko in the corner ?
breakfast [1p\]: "Keep the game simple, if you are winning"
mariusds1 [6d\]: and in this situation game is close]
CR[go]
))
(;W[fc]
C[breakfast [1p\]: the best answer]
CR[fc]
)
(;W[kq]CR[kq]
;B[ge]CR[ge]
;W[hf]CR[hf]
;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[gf]CR[gf]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[mg]
C[breakfast [1p\]: W has only 1 eye
CBlue [8k?\]: yeah
StuartP [15k\]: b is trying to invade now]
CR[mg]
))
(;W[kq]CR[kq]
;B[ie]CR[ie]
;W[if]CR[if]
;B[ge]CR[ge]
;W[hf]CR[hf]
;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[gf]CR[gf]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[ec]CR[ec]

;B[fb]CR[fb]
;W[ke]CR[ke]
;B[kg]
C[breakfast [1p\]: not yet alive]
CR[kg]
))
(;B[og]CR[og]

(;W[fb]
C[breakfast [1p\]: well, this is the best way
breakfast [1p\]: the central stones are too big]
CR[fb]
;B[dq]CR[dq]
;W[cq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: so, B has the last chance to invade
ireul [24k?\]: can w alive.....it seem it is dead?(the 8 stones)
breakfast [1p\]: ?
breakfast [1p\]: which stones?
ireul [24k?\]: nothing
ireul [24k?\]: let go on]
CR[cq]
)
(;W[hf]CR[hf]
;B[dq]CR[dq]
;W[cq]
C[fatihsulak [2d\]: thx
breakfast [1p\]: Black can try to invade at A, B or C]
LB[hq:C][gq:B][eq:A]
CR[cq]
;B[gq]CR[gq]
;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[eq]
C[ireul [24k?\]: which one is the best u think]
CR[eq]
;W[fp]CR[fp]
;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[do]CR[do]

(;B[fq]CR[fq]
;W[cr]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B is almost dead]
CR[cr]
)
(;B[cr]CR[cr]
;W[br]
C[mshealey [?\]: is it possible to save a copy of this game with \
all the variations]
CR[br]
;B[dr]
C[mariusds1 [6d\]: why not k3
mariusds1 [6d\]: after d3 probe
breakfast [1p\]: K3 is not enough
breakfast [1p\]: B is far behind on terr
breakfast [1p\]: and has to play actively
fatihsulak [2d\]: isnt O14 aji keshi if b connects  P13]
CR[dr]
;W[cn]CR[cn]
;B[hr]CR[hr]
;W[fr]CR[fr]
;B[fq]CR[fq]
;W[ir]CR[ir]
;B[cs]CR[cs]

;W[gs]CR[gs]
;B[hs]CR[hs]
;W[es]
C[breakfast [1p\]: dead again]
CR[es]
))))
(;W[jq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: W has a huge lead
breakfast [1p\]: and can defend solidly
breakfast [1p\]: like this
vezniigost [?\]: is invasion still possible?
breakfast [1p\]: wait a moment]
CR[jq]
;B[if]CR[if]
;W[ie]CR[ie]
;B[hf]CR[hf]
;W[gf]CR[gf]
;B[fb]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B has the last plan
breakfast [1p\]: White's group is not yet alive
fatihsulak [2d\]: i mean that
breakfast [1p\]: false eye in the centre
ireul [24k?\]: G16?]
CR[fb]
)
(;W[if]CR[if]
)
(;W[fb]
C[breakfast [1p\]: the most simple way for W]
CR[fb]
)
(;W[kq]CR[kq]
;B[if]CR[if]
;W[gb]CR[gb]
;B[ie]
C[breakfast [1p\]: also enough for W
ireul [24k?\]: well......but these lose 7 stones]
CR[ie]
))
(;B[rn]
C[breakfast [1p\]: white's plan]
CR[rn]
))
(;W[lq]CR[lq]

(;B[pl]CR[pl]
;W[rl]CR[rl]
;B[rn]CR[rn]
;W[qk]CR[qk]
;B[sm]CR[sm]
;W[sk]
C[breakfast [1p\]: well, the group is alive]
CR[sk]
)
(;B[qk]
C[breakfast [1p\]: how about this move?
breakfast [1p\]: looks risky for W
Xeo [5k\]: what would have happend after bQ9 instead of bR8?
ireul [24k?\]: S9 ok?]
CR[qk]
;W[rk]CR[rk]
;B[rl]CR[rl]
;W[ri]CR[ri]
;B[sk]
C[breakfast [1p\]: ko only
breakfast [1p\]: so, it is better to defend]
CR[sk]
)))
(;B[kq]CR[kq]
;W[og]CR[og]
;B[ng]CR[ng]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[nf]CR[nf]
;W[oe]CR[oe]
;B[ne]CR[ne]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[qe]
C[breakfast [1p\]: the best way for B to fight
breakfast [1p\]: the capturing race would be complicated]
CR[qe]
))
(;B[jq]CR[jq]

(;W[qe]
C[breakfast [1p\]: He is thinking about the invasion]
CR[qe]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[og]CR[og]
;B[nf]CR[nf]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[re]
C[playgo [3k\]: want to use the sji of the cut ?]
CR[re]
;W[rf]
C[breakfast [1p\]: white's plan
breakfast [1p\]: yes]
CR[rf]
)
(;W[og]
C[breakfast [1p\]: big problem for Black]
CR[og]

(;B[nf]CR[nf]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[pf]
C[breakfast [1p\]: can probably do it directly]
CR[pf]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[ng]CR[ng]
;B[mg]CR[mg]
;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[mf]CR[mf]

;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[qd]
C[breakfast [1p\]: not easy for B]
CR[qd]
)
(;B[of]CR[of]
;W[ng]CR[ng]
;B[mg]CR[mg]
;W[nf]CR[nf]
;B[mf]CR[mf]
;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[me]CR[me]
;W[nh]CR[nh]
;B[ni]CR[ni]

;W[li]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B cannot escape
MysticoN [30k?\]: ouch]
CR[li]
))))
(;W[lq]
C[jotarokung [2d\]: if b play g15 b can cut k 16 or not]
CR[lq]
;B[pk]CR[pk]
;W[ok]CR[ok]
;B[rm]CR[rm]
))
(;W[lq]
C[udreka [1k\]: what are you talking about
Joorin [7k\]: mysticon: do the sane thing and read his info, you \
might find things there.
breakfast [1p\]: W has an excellent chance to defend]
CR[lq]
))
(;W[lq]
C[ShindouKun [?\]: I hope i get to play you in the tournament today...
breakfast [1p\]: :)
murx [4k\]: L17 looks bigger for black :)
MysticoN [30k?\]: is it a tournament today ?
udreka [1k\]: Is there any possibility to live in the bottom left?
breakfast [1p\]: W can sacrifice the stones as well]
CR[lq]
;B[le]CR[le]
;W[rg]CR[rg]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[rm]
C[breakfast [1p\]: completely over
breakfast [1p\]: W is more than 20 points ahead
MysticoN [30k?\]: I think black has an advantage if he breaks \
the connection at the M12
erru [?\]: what about b G15? 
Joorin [7k\]: and N12 too.
breakfast [1p\]: B made a lot of mistakes today
breakfast [1p\]: spoiled a good opening :(
MysticoN [30k?\]: white has waaay to much territory at the lower \
left
MysticoN [30k?\]: no chance for black to survive i think
MysticoN [30k?\]: at the bottow left
breakfast [1p\]: right
MysticoN [30k?\]: bottom]
TR[nl][gj][ei][hh]
CR[rm]
))
(;B[kd]CR[kd]
;W[ke]CR[ke]
;B[lf]CR[lf]
;W[ld]
C[breakfast [1p\]: no way]
CR[ld]
)
(;B[lf]CR[lf]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[ib]CR[ib]
;W[kb]
C[MysticoN [30k?\]: M16 
MysticoN [30k?\]: for black
breakfast [1p\]: terrible result for B]
CR[kb]
;B[ld]CR[ld]
;W[kd]
C[maxmax [4k\]: m15 nonono
breakfast [1p\]: cannot survive]
CR[kd]
))
(;W[lq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: W can think about tennuki as well
udreka [1k\]: Is there any possibility to live in the bottom left?
murx [4k\]: (still at the bS13 wS7 exchange) aint bS6 still sente? \
somehoe S8 still looks like a white weakspot 
MysticoN [30k?\]: after J 15]
CR[lq]
;B[ie]
C[MysticoN [30k?\]: black must play K 15]
CR[ie]
;W[rg]
C[breakfast [1p\]: W has enough
MysticoN [30k?\]: ah]
CR[rg]
))
(;B[if]CR[if]
;W[ie]CR[ie]
;B[kf]CR[kf]
;W[je]
C[breakfast [1p\]: miai points]
LB[le:B][kc:A]
CR[je]
)
(;B[je]CR[je]
;W[if]CR[if]
;B[kf]CR[kf]
;W[ke]
C[breakfast [1p\]: double atari]
CR[ke]
)
(;B[dq]CR[dq]
;W[cq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B can try to live at A , B or C
breakfast [1p\]: D is gentle, but
breakfast [1p\]: clearly not enough for Black
Mellonsan [14k\]: a is best?
MysticoN [30k?\]: what rank is 1 p ?]
LB[jq:D][hq:C][gq:B][eq:A]
CR[cq]

(;B[gq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: invasion is the last chance]
CR[gq]
)
(;B[eq]
C[murx [4k\]: why not bS13 first ? as soon as w completely alife \
it can aim at S16 - S13 denies this and seems sente to me for \
whites life ?]
CR[eq]
;W[gq]CR[gq]
;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[co]
C[breakfast [1p\]: can B survive?
jotarokung [2d\]: 1d prof.
breakfast [1p\]: i don't think so
Mellonsan [14k\]: me neither
CBlue [8k?\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Rank
breakfast [1p\]: the wall is too strong
MysticoN [30k?\]: if he b plays at F 4 ?
breakfast [1p\]: no way to run]
CR[co]
;B[fp]CR[fp]
;W[fr]CR[fr]
;B[gp]CR[gp]
;W[iq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: too difficult for B
Mellonsan [14k\]: f3?
Mellonsan [14k\]: no h3]
CR[iq]
)
(;B[rg]CR[rg]
;W[rm]
C[murx [4k\]: yes
breakfast [1p\]: not easy to say
murx [4k\]: but now invade :/
breakfast [1p\]: is it a good exchange or not
breakfast [1p\]: Now W has an adji-invasion at A]
LB[rq:A]
CR[rm]
)
(;B[kf]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B is trying to capture 4 stones]
CR[kf]
)))
(;W[rm]
C[breakfast [1p\]: comfortable
breakfast [1p\]: this sagari is preparing the invasion as well
playgo [3k\]: is there no chance to invade the left ?]
LB[rq:A]
CR[rm]

(;B[kd]CR[kd]
;W[he]CR[he]
;B[kf]CR[kf]
;W[ke]CR[ke]
;B[lf]CR[lf]
;W[le]CR[le]
;B[mf]CR[mf]
;W[je]CR[je]
;B[nd]CR[nd]

;W[lq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: not enough for B]
CR[lq]
)
(;B[dq]CR[dq]

(;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[cq]CR[cq]
;W[bp]CR[bp]
;B[er]CR[er]
;W[fr]CR[fr]
;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[do]CR[do]
;B[eo]
C[maxmax [4k\]: C2]
CR[eo]
;W[dn]
C[maxmax [4k\]: and ko??
maxmax [4k\]: now c2]
CR[dn]

(;B[ds]CR[ds]
;W[gq]CR[gq]
;B[bq]CR[bq]
;W[aq]CR[aq]
;B[ar]CR[ar]
;W[bs]CR[bs]
;B[fs]
C[breakfast [1p\]: some interesting possibilities]
CR[fs]
;W[gs]CR[gs]
;B[cs]
C[breakfast [1p\]: ko, but not the straight one]
CR[cs]
)
(;B[fs]CR[fs]
)
(;B[cr]CR[cr]
;W[gq]
C[playgo [3k\]: well ko is better then nothing]
CR[gq]
;B[ds]CR[ds]
;W[br]CR[br]
;B[bq]CR[bq]
;W[aq]CR[aq]
;B[ar]CR[ar]
;W[as]CR[as]
;B[bs]
C[breakfast [1p\]: another ko]
CR[bs]
))
(;W[cq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: how about this move?
jotarokung [2d\]: if h3 instead]
CR[cq]

(;B[gq]CR[gq]
;W[iq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: not easy for B to survive]
CR[iq]
)
(;B[hq]CR[hq]
;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[eq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: connect?]
CR[eq]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[ir]CR[ir]
;W[jr]
C[jotarokung [2d\]: hard to alive]
CR[jr]
;B[gr]CR[gr]
;W[rq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: even he can]
CR[rq]
;B[rp]CR[rp]

;W[sp]CR[sp]
;B[so]CR[so]
;W[sq]CR[sq]
;B[rn]CR[rn]
;W[or]
C[breakfast [1p\]: W can survive too]
CR[or]
)))
(;B[jq]CR[jq]
;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[ir]CR[ir]
;W[hq]
C[mshealey [?\]: what is the score now?
breakfast [1p\]: the only way to reduce
breakfast [1p\]: W is leading a lot
Storken [14k\]: can b catch up?
maxmax [4k\]: what about D3??]
CR[hq]
)))
(;B[kf]CR[kf]
;W[le]
C[Joorin [7k\]: why not keep it simple with M13?
breakfast [1p\]: B cannot escape
playgo [3k\]: does it also have an effect on the P10 group?
breakfast [1p\]: yes, white's group becomes stronger
CBlue [8k?\]: can b invade more directly into w's territory, instead \
of K3 ? around the w corner shimari for example?]
CR[le]
))
(;B[lh]
C[breakfast [1p\]: H12 seems to be the last losing move
breakfast [1p\]: B must capture 4 stones]
CR[lh]

(;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[ib]CR[ib]

(;W[kb]CR[kb]
;B[kd]CR[kd]
;W[ke]
C[breakfast [1p\]: white's plan
breakfast [1p\]: A-B are miai]
LB[lg:B][ld:A]
CR[ke]
)
(;W[lg]CR[lg]
;B[kb]CR[kb]

(;W[kf]CR[kf]
)
(;W[hh]
C[breakfast [1p\]: Black's group has only 1 eye]
CR[hh]

(;B[bg]CR[bg]
;W[pg]
C[breakfast [1p\]: this is the plan
breakfast [1p\]: W is trying to cut off the central group]
CR[pg]
)
(;B[oh]CR[oh]
;W[bg]CR[bg]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[bb]
C[breakfast [1p\]: tennuki is not possible]
CR[bb]
))))
(;W[ke]CR[ke]
)
(;W[lg]CR[lg]
;B[kf]CR[kf]
;W[ke]CR[ke]
;B[lf]CR[lf]

(;W[le]CR[le]
;B[mf]CR[mf]
;W[hh]CR[hh]
;B[ii]CR[ii]
;W[kc]
C[breakfast [1p\]: the question is:
breakfast [1p\]: Can B kill the group on the right side?]
CR[kc]
;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[qh]CR[qh]
)
(;W[kc]
C[breakfast [1p\]: better to use atari in reserve
breakfast [1p\]: to keep atari in reserve]
CR[kc]
;B[ql]
C[breakfast [1p\]: not easy to say, can W survive or not
breakfast [1p\]: and try to kill this group]
CR[ql]
;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[rg]CR[rg]
;W[pg]
C[breakfast [1p\]: W can use it from the other side as well]
LB[mf:A]
CR[pg]
)))
(;B[lg]CR[lg]
;W[hh]CR[hh]
;B[ii]CR[ii]
;W[gi]
C[breakfast [1p\]: because of this tesuji
Joorin [7k\]: oh, sorry. ;(
Cetoo [5k\]: and j11?]
CR[gi]

(;B[hi]CR[hi]
;W[ig]CR[ig]
;B[gi]CR[gi]
;W[eh]CR[eh]
;B[fh]CR[fh]
;W[cg]CR[cg]
;B[lh]CR[lh]
;W[dg]CR[dg]
;B[li]
C[breakfast [1p\]: painful for B]
CR[li]

;W[ql]
C[breakfast [1p\]: W would win the game for sure
breakfast [1p\]: lot of big moves on the board, but
breakfast [1p\]: it seems, that W is winning a lot]
LB[jq:C][qc:B][bb:A]
CR[ql]
)
(;B[lh]CR[lh]
;W[hi]CR[hi]
;B[li]CR[li]
;W[bg]CR[bg]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[bb]
C[breakfast [1p\]: the whole group is dead]
CR[bb]
))
(;B[gf]CR[gf]
;W[he]
C[breakfast [1p\]: like this :)]
CR[he]
))
(;W[oh]CR[oh]

(;B[og]CR[og]
;W[nh]
C[breakfast [1p\]: White's group cannot be killed
breakfast [1p\]: B can only destroy the own terr. by attacking]
CR[nh]
)
(;B[pk]
C[Icar [9k\]: white could even reduce black territory more by attacking \
at the 3-3 point, no?]
CR[pk]
;W[ok]CR[ok]
;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[qh]
C[breakfast [1p\]: the benefit is small
Joorin [7k\]: ok.
bonkie [6k\]: n11
breakfast [1p\]: cannot kill W anyway
Joorin [7k\]: and some forcing moves to capture O7 or reduce black \
even more i guess.]
CR[qh]
)))
(;B[ok]
C[StuartP [15k\]: ah
breakfast [1p\]: B can cut here again
breakfast [1p\]: a strange game
yebi [1k\]: :)
breakfast [1p\]: lot of chances missing
ViaGOra [11k?\]: B=O8
StuartP [15k\]: matthew wants it to go to a deciding game :)
Icar [9k\]: white moyo is as big or bigger than black's, what \
about defending it?
breakfast [1p\]: The game would be over]
CR[ok]
;W[ol]CR[ol]
;B[pk]CR[pk]
;W[nl]CR[nl]
;B[pl]
C[breakfast [1p\]: good enough]
CR[pl]
))
(;W[ok]CR[ok]

(;B[fb]CR[fb]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[gb]CR[gb]
;W[he]CR[he]
;B[ge]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B can try to kill , but]
CR[ge]
;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[hf]CR[hf]
;W[ie]CR[ie]
;B[if]CR[if]

;W[gf]CR[gf]
;B[ig]CR[ig]
;W[kc]
C[breakfast [1p\]: the adji is too bad
breakfast [1p\]: W can easily make the second eye in the centre]
CR[kc]
)
(;B[he]CR[he]
;W[gb]CR[gb]
;B[gf]
C[breakfast [1p\]: the gentle way]
CR[gf]
;W[oh]CR[oh]

(;B[og]CR[og]
;W[nh]CR[nh]
;B[ng]CR[ng]
;W[mi]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B cannot block]
CR[mi]
;B[li]CR[li]
;W[lh]CR[lh]
;B[ni]CR[ni]
;W[oi]CR[oi]
)
(;B[jq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: probably better to play here first]
CR[jq]

(;W[of]CR[of]
;B[gq]
C[Icar [9k\]: but white an hit in the middle no?
Icar [9k\]: M3?
breakfast [1p\]: good trade for B]
CR[gq]
)
(;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[gq]CR[gq]
;W[fr]CR[fr]
;B[lr]
C[Icar [9k\]: ok
breakfast [1p\]: not easy to cut off
ViaGOra [11k?\]: W=N6]
CR[lr]
)))))
(;B[ok]
C[breakfast [1p\]: looks like the only move]
CR[ok]
;W[nl]
C[Joorin [7k\]: this must be a place for "Cut first, think later.".
breakfast [1p\]: yes]
CR[nl]
;B[ol]CR[ol]
;W[nm]
C[playgo [3k\]: did you count ?]
CR[nm]
;B[om]CR[om]
;W[nn]CR[nn]
;B[oi]
C[breakfast [1p\]: good enough for B]
CR[oi]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[he]CR[he]

;W[gb]CR[gb]
;B[gf]CR[gf]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[rf]CR[rf]
;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[qf]CR[qf]

;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[pa]CR[pa]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[rd]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B is winning a lot
breakfast [1p\]: wat a moment i will
moredrunk [-\]: will....¿
breakfast [1p\]: W was 110
breakfast [1p\]: +komi
playgo [3k\]: what about the ko in the corner]
CR[rd]
;B[mr]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B has more than 120
breakfast [1p\]: Can defend solidly
breakfast [1p\]: and win the game 
ViaGOra [11k?\]: B= N12]
CR[mr]
))
(;W[ok]
C[breakfast [1p\]: W has no other way
ViaGOra [11k?\]: disapprove?
breakfast [1p\]: has to connect]
CR[ok]
;B[nm]
C[breakfast [1p\]: not easy fight for W
jrnl [?\]: where is 2nd eye for upper w group]
CR[nm]
;W[oj]CR[oj]

(;B[mh]CR[mh]
;W[ql]CR[ql]

(;B[fb]CR[fb]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[gb]
C[breakfast [1p\]: big problems here
breakfast [1p\]: W is not yet alive
Anaconda [4k\]: h15?]
CR[gb]
;W[he]CR[he]
;B[ie]CR[ie]
;W[hf]CR[hf]
;B[if]
C[breakfast [1p\]: 2 stones are huge
Anaconda [4k\]: yep]
CR[if]
)
(;B[he]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B can start from this peep as well]
CR[he]
;W[hf]CR[hf]
;B[fb]CR[fb]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[gb]
C[breakfast [1p\]: not easy for W to survive]
CR[gb]
))
(;B[nh]CR[nh]

(;W[ql]CR[ql]

(;B[he]CR[he]
;W[gb]CR[gb]
;B[gf]CR[gf]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[pg]CR[pg]
;W[oh]
C[Joorin [7k\]: this looks like black win.
Galand [2d?\]: R3 useless ?]
CR[oh]
;B[ng]
C[ViaGOra [11k?\]: W=P10, hane
jrnl [?\]: why not f18 instead ofg14
breakfast [1p\]: wait, i have to count once again
jrnl [?\]: go for whole lot
breakfast [1p\]: W has 100
breakfast [1p\]: +komi
breakfast [1p\]: B has 90
breakfast [1p\]: +the corner
Joorin [7k\]: ok.
Porcelina [1d?\]: question: why b not play k3 instead of g14?
breakfast [1p\]: some bad adji , but it seems, that B can keep \
20 points
Porcelina [1d?\]: then he break up side]
CR[ng]

;W[ro]
C[Joorin [7k\]: and black 100 + lower right corner?]
CR[ro]
)
(;B[jq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: now?
Porcelina [1d?\]: yes]
CR[jq]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[ib]CR[ib]
;W[kb]
C[Porcelina [1d?\]: this appeals to me
breakfast [1p\]: because of the adji]
CR[kb]
;B[kd]
C[Porcelina [1d?\]: i see]
CR[kd]

(;W[je]CR[je]
)
(;W[ld]
C[breakfast [1p\]: W can easily destroy the upper side]
CR[ld]
)))
(;W[jq]CR[jq]
))))
(;B[he]CR[he]
;W[gb]CR[gb]
;B[gf]CR[gf]
;W[nj]
C[breakfast [1p\]: now W can give up few stones]
CR[nj]
;B[mi]CR[mi]
;W[ni]
C[breakfast [1p\]: too painful for B
Joorin [7k\]: ok.]
CR[ni]
)
(;B[nm]CR[nm]

(;W[nj]CR[nj]
;B[mi]
C[Galand [2d?\]: O11 ?]
CR[mi]
)
(;W[ni]CR[ni]
;B[li]
C[ViaGOra [11k?\]: nope, O10
Galand [2d?\]: i see]
CR[li]
)))
(;W[kh]
C[playgo [3k\]: N9 possible ?
breakfast [1p\]: better to save these stones first]
CR[kh]
;B[kg]
C[breakfast [1p\]: not easy for W to connect directly]
CR[kg]

(;W[jg]CR[jg]

(;B[hh]CR[hh]

(;W[lg]CR[lg]
;B[ig]CR[ig]
;W[if]CR[if]
;B[hf]
C[breakfast [1p\]: too many cutting points
Woodstock [-\]: is H12 necessary?]
CR[hf]
)
(;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[ib]CR[ib]
;W[kb]
C[breakfast [1p\]: one of the possibilities]
CR[kb]
;B[kd]CR[kd]
;W[ld]CR[ld]

(;B[je]CR[je]
;W[ke]
C[Boo [-\]: doesn't w have time for h12 himself?
breakfast [1p\]: a huge ko]
CR[ke]
)
(;B[ke]CR[ke]
;W[kf]CR[kf]
;B[lg]CR[lg]
;W[je]CR[je]
;B[le]
C[StuartP [15k\]: matthew has played n9]
CR[le]
;W[lf]CR[lf]
;B[md]CR[md]
;W[me]CR[me]
;B[ld]CR[ld]

;W[mg]CR[mg]
;B[lh]CR[lh]
;W[li]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B must be careful here
Boo [-\]: talk about driving tesuji :)
breakfast [1p\]: because the adji is really bad]
CR[li]
)))
(;B[lg]CR[lg]
;W[hh]CR[hh]
;B[ii]CR[ii]
;W[gi]CR[gi]
;B[lh]CR[lh]
;W[bg]CR[bg]
;B[bf]CR[bf]

(;W[bb]CR[bb]
)
(;W[hi]CR[hi]
;B[li]CR[li]
;W[bb]
C[breakfast [1p\]: yes, because
breakfast [1p\]: B is not yet alive
Woodstock [-\]: i see :)]
CR[bb]
)))
(;W[hh]CR[hh]
;B[ii]CR[ii]
;W[jg]CR[jg]
;B[lh]
C[Boo [-\]: n10 first
Boo [-\]: for w
breakfast [1p\]: no chance to pish
breakfast [1p\]: push]
CR[lh]
)
(;W[mj]CR[mj]
;B[mk]CR[mk]
;W[li]CR[li]
;B[lk]CR[lk]

(;W[hh]
C[breakfast [1p\]: like this?
Boo [-\]: yes :)]
CR[hh]
;B[ii]CR[ii]
;W[jg]CR[jg]
;B[mi]CR[mi]
;W[lh]CR[lh]
;B[mg]
C[Boo [-\]: maybe too crazy :)]
CR[mg]

(;W[lg]CR[lg]
;B[lf]CR[lf]
;W[kf]CR[kf]
;B[mh]CR[mh]
;W[kg]CR[kg]
;B[bg]
C[breakfast [1p\]: no benefit for W]
CR[bg]
)
(;W[gi]
C[breakfast [1p\]: well, looks interesting]
CR[gi]
;B[hi]CR[hi]
;W[ig]CR[ig]
;B[gi]CR[gi]
;W[eh]
C[Boo [-\]: indeeed]
CR[eh]
;B[fh]CR[fh]
;W[cg]CR[cg]
;B[mh]CR[mh]
;W[dg]CR[dg]

;B[lg]
C[breakfast [1p\]: how is the trade?
Boo [-\]: but this might be a losing game now :)
downthem [5d?\]: very thick in left 
breakfast [1p\]: yes
MrCoin [12k\]: haha breakfast
MrCoin [12k\]: :p
breakfast [1p\]: looks favourable for B
Boo [-\]: ok thanks]
CR[lg]
))
(;W[jg]CR[jg]
))))
(;W[mk]
C[breakfast [1p\]: another plan]
CR[mk]
;B[ki]CR[ki]
;W[mn]CR[mn]
;B[nm]CR[nm]
;W[mm]CR[mm]
;B[ml]CR[ml]
;W[nl]CR[nl]
;B[nk]CR[nk]
;W[ol]CR[ol]

;B[mj]
C[Dartagnate [23k?\]: 6:31 am here]
CR[mj]
;W[on]
C[breakfast [1p\]: the moyo is destroyed]
CR[on]
;B[hf]
C[breakfast [1p\]: but
breakfast [1p\]: B can cut off these stones]
CR[hf]
;W[gf]
C[Billaben [7k\]: yeesh. lunch break? it's like 330 am here. I'm \
not going to see the end of this war]
CR[gf]
;B[if]
C[BGAadmin [-\]: next move will be sealed : you will see nothing \
more for an hour]
CR[if]
))
(;B[mk]CR[mk]
;W[hh]CR[hh]
;B[ii]CR[ii]
;W[jh]
C[Billaben [7k\]: heh. I just opened both windows so I can keep \
some of my sanity while you go through variations. =P]
CR[jh]
;B[lj]CR[lj]
;W[gi]CR[gi]
;B[hi]CR[hi]
;W[ig]CR[ig]
;B[gi]CR[gi]

;W[eh]CR[eh]
;B[fh]CR[fh]
;W[cg]
C[Dartagnate [23k?\]: holy . . .
breakfast [1p\]: White's dream
Dartagnate [23k?\]: lol
Storken [14k\]: hehe]
CR[cg]
))
(;W[kd]CR[kd]
;B[kc]
C[breakfast [1p\]: successful result for B
Billaben [7k\]: seems to me whites goal here is to let black live \
in exchange for a chance to destroy the center
breakfast [1p\]: yes, but the shape is still poor
breakfast [1p\]: and the group is not yet alive
Porcelina [1d?\]: heavy cost Bill
Billaben [7k\]: humm,,, and only one eye really so far
breakfast [1p\]: so, W has to defend once again]
CR[kc]
;W[lf]CR[lf]
;B[hf]CR[hf]
;W[gf]CR[gf]
;B[if]CR[if]
;W[ig]CR[ig]
;B[jg]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B can cut]
CR[jg]
)
(;W[ig]
C[breakfast [1p\]: probably better to keep some adji
breakfast [1p\]: better to connect directly]
CR[ig]

(;B[jq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: A-B exchange isnot good for W]
LB[kd:A][kc:B]
CR[jq]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[ib]CR[ib]
;W[kb]CR[kb]
;B[kd]CR[kd]
;W[ld]
C[breakfast [1p\]: some problems here]
CR[ld]
)
(;B[kd]
C[breakfast [1p\]: sente for W
breakfast [1p\]: He can use it for playing at A or B
breakfast [1p\]: not easy to decide which plan is better]
LB[lq:B][mk:A]
CR[kd]

(;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[mk]CR[mk]
;W[lf]
C[Joorin [7k\]: A works better with R10 AND K14?
breakfast [1p\]: yes]
CR[lf]
;B[nh]CR[nh]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[re]CR[re]

;B[rf]CR[rf]
;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[pa]CR[pa]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[rd]
C[breakfast [1p\]: let me count again]
CR[rd]

;B[mo]
C[Dartagnate [23k?\]: r10 looks suicidal
breakfast [1p\]: W has 95
breakfast [1p\]: B little bit more than 100
Billaben [7k\]: R10 is an old probe right now
breakfast [1p\]: Looks really close
Billaben [7k\]: some aji left in it
Billaben [7k\]: but it's not a living stone right now]
CR[mo]
)
(;W[mk]CR[mk]
;B[nm]CR[nm]
;W[oj]CR[oj]
;B[jq]CR[jq]
;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[ir]CR[ir]
;W[hq]CR[hq]

(;B[hr]CR[hr]
)
(;B[pi]CR[pi]
;W[pj]CR[pj]
;B[ki]
C[breakfast [1p\]: complicated]
CR[ki]
)))))
(;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[if]CR[if]
;W[je]CR[je]
;B[hf]
C[Ridgeback [5k?\]: if W gets M10 P10 game over ???]
CR[hf]
;W[fb]
C[breakfast [1p\]: one of the possibilities]
CR[fb]
;B[ib]CR[ib]
;W[jb]
C[Billaben [7k\]: white has chosen finally
breakfast [1p\]: complicated again]
CR[jb]
))
(;B[jc]
C[breakfast [1p\]: yes, the cut is possible too
Porcelina [1d?\]: b looks good]
CR[jc]
;W[jb]
C[ttt [-\]: yes i expected this too, but david ward has played h17 \
in the game]
CR[jb]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[je]
C[Porcelina [1d?\]: h17 is the move of stubborn man:)
breakfast [1p\]: looks good for B, but the problem is gote]
CR[je]
;W[mk]
C[breakfast [1p\]: too complicated]
CR[mk]
))
(;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[ie]CR[ie]
;W[je]CR[je]
;B[if]CR[if]
;W[hb]CR[hb]
;B[fd]
C[breakfast [1p\]: black's plan]
CR[fd]
)
(;W[je]
C[breakfast [1p\]: this was the only answer]
CR[je]

(;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[ic]
C[breakfast [1p\]: lot of complicated variations here]
CR[ic]
;B[hc]CR[hc]
;W[ib]
C[sarmad [8k\]: not work?
breakfast [1p\]: cannot see any good moves for B
CBlue [8k?\]: mr Dinerchtein, in the other branch, exactly here
Joorin [7k\]: K18 H18 G18 H19 
CBlue [8k?\]: when you ended it at w g16
CBlue [8k?\]: could you show how b gets captured, if time allows?]
CR[ib]

(;B[jb]
C[sarmad [8k\]: b K14]
CR[jb]
;W[hb]
C[breakfast [1p\]: any other moves for B?
Joorin [7k\]: J15]
CR[hb]

(;B[hd]CR[hd]
;W[gb]
C[Billaben [7k\]: black wants a war. =P
breakfast [1p\]: can B escape?
sarmad [8k\]: in the other variation
breakfast [1p\]: it seems, that B cannot escape
sarmad [8k\]: where b played at J15]
CR[gb]
;B[if]CR[if]
;W[ie]CR[ie]
;B[he]CR[he]
;W[hf]CR[hf]
;B[fd]
C[breakfast [1p\]: here?]
CR[fd]
;W[gd]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B is killed
CBlue [8k?\]: yes now b g15 after 
Porcelina [1d?\]: w captured
CBlue [8k?\]: althanks
breakfast [1p\]: :)
breakfast [1p\]: no way for B
Billaben [7k\]: what about G17 instead ?
guest101 [?\]: G14?
Storken [14k\]: g-14?]
CR[gd]

(;B[ge]CR[ge]
;W[gf]CR[gf]
;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[fc]
C[Porcelina [1d?\]: no]
CR[fc]
)
(;B[gc]
C[ttt [-\]: no diff]
CR[gc]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[ge]CR[ge]
;W[gf]
C[breakfast [1p\]: same]
CR[gf]
))
(;B[ie]
C[Joorin [7k\]: tesuji to connect tere.]
CR[ie]
;W[if]
C[CBlue [8k?\]: err after w g16, b lived, right?
Billaben [7k\]: white choosed J17
CBlue [8k?\]: (like you just showed)
Billaben [7k\]: er chooses
Drift [7d?\]: g18?
breakfast [1p\]: here?
sarmad [8k\]: can b play K14?]
CR[if]

(;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[gb]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B is killed again]
CR[gb]
)
(;B[gb]CR[gb]
;W[gc]
C[breakfast [1p\]: no way]
CR[gc]
)
(;B[jf]CR[jf]
;W[he]CR[he]
;B[hd]CR[hd]
;W[gc]
C[breakfast [1p\]: no, he cannot
sarmad [8k\]: thanks]
CR[gc]
)))
(;B[hb]CR[hb]
;W[jb]CR[jb]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[hd]
C[ttt [-\]: the best answer indeed]
CR[hd]
;B[ie]CR[ie]
;W[if]CR[if]
;B[he]CR[he]
;W[gd]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B cannot play this way]
CR[gd]
))
(;B[ic]CR[ic]
;W[jc]
C[gonight [11k\]: ^^]
CR[jc]

(;B[fd]CR[fd]
;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[ge]CR[ge]
;W[gf]CR[gf]
;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[he]CR[he]
;B[fc]
C[ttt [-\]: strong 23k ?]
CR[fc]
;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[hb]CR[hb]

;W[jb]
C[breakfast [1p\]: who win the race?
de [5d\]: k18b
Dartagnate [23k?\]: b]
CR[jb]
)
(;B[jb]
C[breakfast [1p\]: here?]
CR[jb]

(;W[kb]CR[kb]
;B[ib]CR[ib]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[fd]CR[fd]
;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[ge]CR[ge]
;W[gf]CR[gf]
;B[gc]
C[breakfast [1p\]: yes, looks possible for B]
CR[gc]
;W[he]CR[he]

;B[fc]CR[fc]
)
(;W[fd]CR[fd]
;B[hb]CR[hb]
;W[ie]
C[breakfast [1p\]: how is the result?
breakfast [1p\]: seems to be equal
Joorin [7k\]: white strength looks into black moyo.
breakfast [1p\]: yes
Billaben [7k\]: white is finally stopping to study the board, \
taking a good chunk of time on this stone
Joorin [7k\]: is it worth 15 ppoints?]
CR[ie]
)))))
(;B[mk]CR[mk]
;W[lq]CR[lq]

(;B[ke]
C[Billaben [7k\]: perhaps, but seems to me... white has a lot of \
potential to attack black, so he's playing it safe right now
breakfast [1p\]: now B has enough
playgo [3k\]: R10 cant live ?
breakfast [1p\]: the last chance for W is to save the marked stone]
TR[qj]
CR[ke]
;W[qh]
C[Tenbatsu [6d\]: Black has some ½ of the board, white just 1/4 \
:)]
CR[qh]

(;B[rh]CR[rh]
;W[ri]CR[ri]
;B[ph]
C[breakfast [1p\]: right]
CR[ph]

(;W[pi]
C[breakfast [1p\]: for example
breakfast [1p\]: ko seems to be the proper way
Billaben [7k\]: invasion is a very different game if you have \
a massive advantage in large ko threats]
CR[pi]
;B[dq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: but B has some threats too]
CR[dq]
)
(;W[qi]CR[qi]
;B[rg]CR[rg]
;W[ql]CR[ql]
;B[rm]
C[breakfast [1p\]: not easy to survive
Billaben [7k\]: may be thinking just that, as you said, white \
potentially has all the ko threats here, white could just be \
removing threats black could exploit to plan the attack]
CR[rm]
))
(;B[rg]CR[rg]
;W[ql]
C[breakfast [1p\]: not easy to kill]
CR[ql]
))
(;B[pi]
C[maxmax [4k\]: cant D3 live anytime he wants????????
breakfast [1p\]: how about killing the stone directly?]
CR[pi]
;W[qf]
C[breakfast [1p\]: still some adji here]
CR[qf]

(;B[pg]CR[pg]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[re]
C[breakfast [1p\]: new ko]
CR[re]
)
(;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[rf]CR[rf]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[rg]CR[rg]
;B[qi]CR[qi]
;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[ri]CR[ri]
;W[pg]CR[pg]
;B[of]
C[Dartagnate [23k?\]: whoa
breakfast [1p\]: not easy to say, can W escape or not]
CR[of]

;W[lj]CR[lj]
;B[ki]
C[Billaben [7k\]: this is interesting]
CR[ki]
;W[mj]
C[Dartagnate [23k?\]: agreed
Billaben [7k\]: check out blacks latest move. =P
breakfast [1p\]: yes]
CR[mj]
))))
(;W[ln]
C[Billaben [7k\]: white wants to remove all bad aji here
Dartagnate [23k?\]: "come on in, the waters fin!"
breakfast [1p\]: here is the proper shape]
CR[ln]
;B[nm]CR[nm]
;W[mn]CR[mn]
;B[nl]CR[nl]
;W[lq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: a gentle way, but
Billaben [7k\]: and still got K16 and R10 to consider
breakfast [1p\]: not enough for B
Billaben [7k\]: either can destroy quite a bit of moyo by simply \
living
breakfast [1p\]: A-B are miai points]
LB[ke:A][qc:B]
CR[lq]
;B[ke]CR[ke]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[qd]CR[qd]

;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[rf]CR[rf]
;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[pa]CR[pa]
;W[qb]CR[qb]

;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[ic]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B can try to invade, but]
CR[ic]
;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[jc]
C[breakfast [1p\]: still looks not enough
breakfast [1p\]: let me count
breakfast [1p\]: W has 110
breakfast [1p\]: B has 100 + the lower right corner]
CR[jc]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[ro]CR[ro]
;W[rr]
C[breakfast [1p\]: ko is the problem
Billaben [7k\]: indeed
breakfast [1p\]: B must kill the group to win the game
Tenbatsu [6d\]: But isn't there enough room to live in the white \
moyo?
ttt [-\]: could G3 stil be alive here?
breakfast [1p\]: but W has too many threats]
LB[ki:A][od:B]
CR[rr]

(;B[gq]
C[sarmad [8k\]: w is playing very fast
Billaben [7k\]: so far yes.
breakfast [1p\]: not easy to invade]
CR[gq]
;W[iq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: no adji inside]
CR[iq]
)
(;B[jq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: this is probably the only way to invade]
CR[jq]

(;W[hq]CR[hq]
;B[lr]CR[lr]
)
(;W[kq]CR[kq]
;B[jo]CR[jo]
;W[jn]CR[jn]
;B[gq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: not easy to say
breakfast [1p\]: Can W kill it or not
breakfast [1p\]: but the chances to kill are high
Billaben [7k\]: seems to me white has similar chances to invade \
black, so it's not worth stressing about
breakfast [1p\]: :)]
CR[gq]
))))
(;B[kq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: If B invades]
CR[kq]
;W[lj]CR[lj]
;B[ki]CR[ki]
;W[ml]CR[ml]
;B[lm]CR[lm]
;W[mn]
C[breakfast [1p\]: W can use a nice tesuji]
CR[mn]
;B[mm]CR[mm]
;W[nm]CR[nm]
;B[mk]CR[mk]

;W[ln]CR[ln]
;B[nl]CR[nl]
;W[km]CR[km]
;B[ml]CR[ml]
;W[om]
C[Billaben [7k\]: yup... he looks confident. backing down to less \
agressive shapes to just hold what he's got marked out now
breakfast [1p\]: B has a terrible shape
breakfast [1p\]: cannot be satisfied]
CR[om]
))
(;W[lm]CR[lm]
;B[ml]CR[ml]
;W[mm]CR[mm]

(;B[nl]CR[nl]
;W[nm]CR[nm]
;B[ol]CR[ol]
;W[kq]
C[Mornelithe [10k\]: moyo game :D
breakfast [1p\]: looks better for W
Billaben [7k\]: so far]
CR[kq]
)
(;B[nm]
C[breakfast [1p\]: this is the most active way for B
Boo [-\]: he played it
breakfast [1p\]: but the adji is terrible
breakfast [1p\]: the main reason
breakfast [1p\]: B made 3 really bad moves
Ridgeback [5k?\]: hehe :)
breakfast [1p\]: E11, G12, G10
ttt [-\]: neutral points, no score]
TR[gj][ei][gh]
CR[nm]
;W[nl]CR[nl]
;B[mk]CR[mk]
;W[kn]CR[kn]

(;B[kq]CR[kq]
;W[lj]
C[breakfast [1p\]: if B playes tennuki
breakfast [1p\]: W will invade the moyo
breakfast [1p\]: using the adji]
CR[lj]
)
(;B[mj]CR[mj]
;W[nn]CR[nn]
;B[om]CR[om]
;W[lq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: not enough for B again]
CR[lq]
))))
(;B[lk]CR[lk]
;W[ll]CR[ll]
;B[mk]CR[mk]
;W[kq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: White's plan
Billaben [7k\]: where as this, well it's unchanged, it's just \
passing on the opportunity here
breakfast [1p\]: later he can make a ko in the corner
ttt [-\]: yes this massive white in the lowerleft, thought me \
already that M17 was better to be at G3
jotarokung [2d\]: how?]
CR[kq]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[ro]CR[ro]

;W[rr]CR[rr]
;B[sp]CR[sp]
;W[sq]
C[Billaben [7k\]: and L8 true to form probably follow your sequence \
to the letter here
ttt [-\]: thx
breakfast [1p\]: here is the adji]
CR[sq]
)
(;B[jp]CR[jp]
;W[lk]
C[breakfast [1p\]: tennuki woBuld be bad for 
breakfast [1p\]: sorry
breakfast [1p\]: tennuki would be bad for Black]
CR[lk]
;B[kj]CR[kj]
;W[ll]
C[breakfast [1p\]: White's shape is too strong
Billaben [7k\]: he could tenuki twice though losing L9 after letting \
white out isn't much difference
breakfast [1p\]: and the marked stone is not attackable anymore]
TR[qj]
CR[ll]
))
(;B[kl]
C[breakfast [1p\]: i see, but
breakfast [1p\]: we have the same problem here
breakfast [1p\]: B can play tennuki
breakfast [1p\]: the only move!
breakfast [1p\]: :(]
CR[kl]
;W[pq]
C[Billaben [7k\]: I like it
breakfast [1p\]: the next move is atari or block]
LB[pp:B][jm:A]
CR[pq]
;B[jm]CR[jm]
;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[oo]CR[oo]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[ro]CR[ro]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[pn]
C[breakfast [1p\]: how is the result?
breakfast [1p\]: I would prefer to play this way
breakfast [1p\]: Tennuki is the only move for B
Billaben [7k\]: I like it... really strengthens the entire right \
side of the board for black]
CR[pn]
))
(;W[kl]CR[kl]
;B[ll]CR[ll]
;W[lk]CR[lk]
;B[kj]CR[kj]
;W[lm]CR[lm]
;B[ml]CR[ml]
;W[mm]CR[mm]
;B[nl]CR[nl]
;W[nm]CR[nm]

;B[ol]CR[ol]
;W[lq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: how is the result?]
CR[lq]
;B[ke]
C[Billaben [7k\]: looks nice, but I'd expect an invasion before \
it got that far
Icharus [1k?\]: well the top right is still open too
breakfast [1p\]: each side has a chance to invade]
CR[ke]
))
(;W[kj]CR[kj]
;B[jl]CR[jl]
;W[lk]
C[breakfast [1p\]: this one?
Icharus [1k?\]: yes
breakfast [1p\]: the next move can be A or B
breakfast [1p\]: B has to run]
LB[jn:A][km:B]
CR[lk]
;B[jn]
C[breakfast [1p\]: this fight seems to be difficult for W
Billaben [7k\]: but I'd expect this R10 isn't exactly a safe port \
in a storm here]
LB[fk:A]
CR[jn]
)
(;W[qq]
C[Billaben [7k\]: looks like white chose A
breakfast [1p\]: a probe was played
breakfast [1p\]: interesting strategy, but dangerous
Igoist [2k\]: didnt w give atari at K8 first?
breakfast [1p\]: B must think about tennuki]
CR[qq]
;B[jl]
C[ttt [-\]: timestalling-tesuji, why think in your own time while \
you can think in opponents time]
CR[jl]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[op]CR[op]
;W[nr]CR[nr]
;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[mr]CR[mr]

;B[lq]
C[maxmax [4k\]: K8 first ??????
Ridgeback [5k?\]: W k8 first :)
breakfast [1p\]: the result is bad for B
Igoist [2k\]: in the game bga opened w gave atari
Billaben [7k\]: K8 was played first.]
CR[lq]
))
(;W[jl]
C[myao [8d?\]: hi ttt!!
Igoist [2k\]: r10 becomes weaker, but it wont die...and w makes \
a nice wall towards the bottom]
CR[jl]
;B[kl]CR[kl]
;W[km]CR[km]
;B[jm]CR[jm]
;W[il]CR[il]
;B[kk]CR[kk]
;W[jn]CR[jn]
;B[lm]
C[ttt [-\]: goddday sweden]
CR[lm]
;W[kn]
C[breakfast [1p\]: simple, but
breakfast [1p\]: the marked stone is getting weaker
Billaben [7k\]: I just can't see white backind down now, he's \
angry
Caretaker [3d?\]: can white tenuki k9?]
TR[qj]
CR[kn]
))
(;B[hh]CR[hh]
;W[ig]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B must think about sente
breakfast [1p\]: he is helping W in the real game
ttt [-\]: yes david ward is losing this battle in the small-infights
breakfast [1p\]: to take a huge moyo]
CR[ig]
;B[gq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: much better
ttt [-\]: agree]
CR[gq]
))
(;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[rf]CR[rf]
;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[pb]CR[pb]

;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[pa]CR[pa]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[nd]
C[Billaben [7k\]: big chunk of local moves played]
CR[nd]
;W[rd]
C[breakfast [1p\]: the most simple way to invade
breakfast [1p\]: but B is getting thicker
jrnl [?\]: can w try to cut off m17]
CR[rd]
)
(;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[md]
C[breakfast [1p\]: like this?
jrnl [?\]: y]
CR[md]
;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[ib]
C[breakfast [1p\]: yes, he can, but
breakfast [1p\]: not easy to kill it
breakfast [1p\]: very bad adji
jrnl [?\]: thx]
CR[ib]
))
(;B[fi]
C[breakfast [1p\]: almost 1 move difference]
CR[fi]

(;W[hh]
C[breakfast [1p\]: white's shape is much stronger than before]
CR[hh]
)
(;W[jq]
C[claint [10k?\]: so the probe lost its meaning?
breakfast [1p\]: the cutting point is lost
Billaben [7k\]: looks like it... F11 is rather urgent, it hasn't \
been played yet though
breakfast [1p\]: the cutting point at A]
LB[gf:A]
CR[jq]
)))
(;B[fh]
C[breakfast [1p\]: creating some adji first]
CR[fh]
;W[hf]
C[Plutonium [5k\]: is this with audio?
breakfast [1p\]: B is thinking hard again
breakfast [1p\]: time to take some tea
Billaben [7k\]: I'd think the extend would be natural enough
playgo [3k\]: is H14 correct shape here ?
Billaben [7k\]: I'd be tempted to remove the aji with F17 instead \
myself.
tsche5 [2d\]: no
tsche5 [2d\]: i ask h14
tsche5 [2d\]: it seems too slow
sheehan [2d?\]: who were the players?
tsche5 [2d\]: and amatur move
Ridgeback [5k?\]: well, they are amateurs :)
tsche5 [2d\]: who were played?
Ridgeback [5k?\]: maybe you should challenge W in an even game, \
tsche :)
tsche5 [2d\]: ha ha ha
Billaben [7k\]: look the game up, it's BGAadmin. it's down the \
list a ways
Icharus [1k?\]: no it's at the top now
Billaben [7k\]: it's near the bottom on mine. =(
Dartagnate [23k?\]: same
Ridgeback [5k?\]: in the game H14 is not played yet
Dartagnate [23k?\]: nor is f12
Dartagnate [23k?\]: he played H12
Dartagnate [23k?\]: er, g
Innocent [?\]: hmm y g12?
Dartagnate [23k?\]: g12
Billaben [7k\]: black went with G12 instead of F12
criminal [?\]: wat happened ?
breakfast [1p\]: well, i am back
breakfast [1p\]: the proper way to defend
tsche5 [2d\]: g12 is awho?
breakfast [1p\]: bad shapes can be good sometimes]
CR[hf]

(;B[gq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: looks like the gentle way
Billaben [7k\]: same result really, but with a probe
breakfast [1p\]: B can use the stones]
TR[ee][ed]
CR[gq]
)
(;B[jb]
C[Billaben [7k\]: yes... aji for endgame]
CR[jb]
;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[ic]
C[breakfast [1p\]: some sente moves later]
CR[ic]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[fd]CR[fd]
;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[ge]CR[ge]
;W[gf]CR[gf]
;B[gc]
C[breakfast [1p\]: like this]
CR[gc]
)))
(;W[fh]
C[breakfast [1p\]: W has a choice
breakfast [1p\]: can sacrifice the stones]
CR[fh]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[gh]
C[breakfast [1p\]: and make the wall]
CR[gh]
;B[hp]
C[Billaben [7k\]: but let black cut in there? painful lookin
breakfast [1p\]: the problem is gote for White
breakfast [1p\]: yes, i agree
breakfast [1p\]: B is better]
CR[hp]
))
(;B[fh]
C[breakfast [1p\]: the standard shape
breakfast [1p\]: ugly, but
sarmad [8k\]: how about 1 space jump
breakfast [1p\]: this is the proper shape
Namii [-\]: E11 helps white]
CR[fh]

(;W[gf]
C[Billaben [7k\]: well your F12 variation looks likely
criminal [?\]: this ?
breakfast [1p\]: the proper way for B
derin [12k?\]: how about E11 instead of F12?
breakfast [1p\]: Here B can play at A or B
breakfast [1p\]: so, this is the gentle move
Dartagnate [23k?\]: and why i sit in awe
sheehan [2d?\]: B point seems bigger]
LB[gq:B][jb:A]
CR[gf]
;B[gq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: So, W should try to find the most active way
Billaben [7k\]: well naturally, but at least it gets white some \
influence on the center so black doesn't get a monopoly out there.]
CR[gq]

(;W[jb]
C[tsche5 [2d\]: is k18 ok?
breakfast [1p\]: not enough]
CR[jb]

(;B[oj]
C[breakfast [1p\]: If B playes this way
breakfast [1p\]: the game would be almost over
Billaben [7k\]: is P10 actually a good move in this case? 
playgo [3k\]: isnt white a bit overconcentrated at the top now \
?]
CR[oj]
;W[ql]CR[ql]
;B[pk]CR[pk]
;W[qk]CR[qk]
;B[om]CR[om]
;W[rh]CR[rh]
;B[rg]CR[rg]
;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[pg]CR[pg]

;W[rm]CR[rm]
;B[go]
C[breakfast [1p\]: for example
breakfast [1p\]: W is alive, but
claint [10k?\]: ouch
Billaben [7k\]: just wondering, I know it's an option, but most \
times it seems to cause more trouble than it solves. =P
breakfast [1p\]: B made a nice wall in sente]
CR[go]
)
(;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[oj]
C[breakfast [1p\]: better than iken-tobi]
CR[oj]
))
(;W[jp]
C[breakfast [1p\]: W can try a pincer
breakfast [1p\]: to make the game complicated
rudarc [7k?\]: b will live in the corner?
breakfast [1p\]: but, the fight is not easy for W
breakfast [1p\]: because the marked construction is solid]
TR[nq][qp][qn]
CR[jp]
)
(;W[go]CR[go]
;B[ip]CR[ip]
;W[fj]CR[fj]
;B[jb]
C[breakfast [1p\]: W has not enough terr
criminal [?\]: so is it in real game ?
duck123456 [5d?\]: B's point is big
rudarc [7k?\]: ohh... b cut at e15
derin [12k?\]: black played E15 in real game
Dartagnate [23k?\]: B played E15]
CR[jb]
))
(;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[gf]
C[sheehan [2d?\]: sure]
CR[gf]
;W[ge]CR[ge]
;B[hf]CR[hf]
;W[he]CR[he]
;B[if]
C[breakfast [1p\]: White's shape is still weak
breakfast [1p\]: and the stone is important
breakfast [1p\]: Now B has a nice thickness]
CR[if]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[ee]CR[ee]

;B[fd]
C[rudarc [7k?\]: while there's still k18
breakfast [1p\]: the adji is bad
breakfast [1p\]: A_B are miai points
Billaben [7k\]: kay... this be why I'm still 7k =P]
LB[ie:B][dd:A]
CR[fd]
))
(;B[gh]CR[gh]

(;W[fh]CR[fh]
)
(;W[eh]
C[Goldenboy2 [2d\]: can't b cut at G14 ?]
CR[eh]
;B[dg]CR[dg]
;W[fh]CR[fh]
;B[bg]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B has no chance to cut
breakfast [1p\]: has to defend first]
CR[bg]
;W[gf]
C[breakfast [1p\]: hane is risky,because of the cut
ttt [-\]: yes this is what white wants]
CR[gf]
;B[gi]CR[gi]
;W[fj]
C[breakfast [1p\]: bad result for B]
CR[fj]
))
(;B[fi]CR[fi]
;W[bf]
C[Billaben [7k\]: thickness is your friend on these things. get \
too clever and you cut yourself. =P]
CR[bf]
;B[bg]
C[ttt [-\]: so have we reached a verdict on M17?]
CR[bg]
;W[eh]CR[eh]
;B[dg]CR[dg]
;W[fh]
C[breakfast [1p\]: not possible
sarmad [8k\]: ah
sarmad [8k\]: thanks
breakfast [1p\]: still can cut off]
CR[fh]
)
(;B[ei]CR[ei]
;W[ej]CR[ej]
;B[fi]CR[fi]
;W[fj]
C[Billaben [7k\]: I'd expect white would skil G14 though]
CR[fj]
;B[gi]CR[gi]
;W[gf]
C[Namii [-\]: w got shape
breakfast [1p\]: bad, because
breakfast [1p\]: it makes W stronger]
CR[gf]
))
(;B[cb]
C[breakfast [1p\]: if B takes the corner]
CR[cb]
;W[eh]
C[Goldenboy2 [2d\]: isn't C15 questionnable
phuong1985 [11k\]: if w jump G3 fast?]
CR[eh]
;B[dg]CR[dg]
;W[fg]
C[Billaben [7k\]: so white agrees, K17 looms heavily I'm sure, but \
it's not quite large enough. yet.
breakfast [1p\]: the block would be painful
Namii [-\]: ouch
ttt [-\]: yes allowing white a doublewing , departing from the \
lowerleft isn't what i expected]
CR[fg]
))
(;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[jb]
C[Billaben [7k\]: a common slice, but it'd be early now right? 
HolyHell [?\]: Super knight jump :)
breakfast [1p\]: if W playes tennuki too
ttt [-\]: how to determine taking the upperside or lowerside of \
the board
breakfast [1p\]: yes
playgo [3k\]: corner is not completely alive ?
breakfast [1p\]:  can destroy everything
breakfast [1p\]: the corner is almost alive]
CR[jb]
)
(;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[gq]
C[HolyHell [?\]: Would j18 for W stop the flow of B's stones?
breakfast [1p\]: so, here W has a difficult choice
ttt [-\]: i would swear this is bigger then M17
breakfast [1p\]: The game seems to be promising for Black]
CR[gq]
)
(;W[jb]CR[jb]
;B[gq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: if w defends
breakfast [1p\]: B will take another important point]
CR[gq]
))
(;B[di]
C[sheehan [2d?\]: breakfast, could you explain the D14 variation \
from black at the early stage?]
CR[di]
;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[bg]CR[bg]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[nc]
C[breakfast [1p\]: possible way, but
breakfast [1p\]: looks slow for Black]
CR[nc]
))
(;W[dg]
C[breakfast [1p\]: if W cut]
CR[dg]
;B[ee]CR[ee]
;W[ff]CR[ff]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[ed]CR[ed]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[fe]CR[fe]
;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[de]CR[de]

;B[db]CR[db]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[fd]CR[fd]
;W[ee]CR[ee]
;B[bb]CR[bb]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[eb]CR[eb]
;W[gd]
C[HolyHell [?\]: Wow.
Tenbatsu [6d\]: Agh, this is the terrible one
Tenbatsu [6d\]: Black gets "profit" and white gets "influence"
breakfast [1p\]: B would take the corner
duck123456 [5d?\]: yes
breakfast [1p\]: How is the result?
ttt [-\]: this one should be good for black
breakfast [1p\]: which side is better?
Billaben [7k\]: it's ugly, but it's forced on pain of a large \
chunk of dead stones
sheehan [2d?\]: b is better
HolyHell [?\]: W seems better :)
RoC [9k\]: white is better
Goldenboy2 [2d\]: K16 is too close so i think it's even
playgo [3k\]: hm the thickness is also nice
breakfast [1p\]: yes, B is clearly better
sarmad [8k\]: w is overconcentrated
breakfast [1p\]: W is overconcentrated
breakfast [1p\]: right
Tenbatsu [6d\]: Aji with E13 and K16 too close]
TR[jd]
CR[gd]
))
(;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[cc]
C[breakfast [1p\]: this is the new fashion
breakfast [1p\]: really popular nowadays
sheehan [2d?\]: now]
CR[cc]

(;B[bg]CR[bg]
;W[ef]CR[ef]
;B[dh]CR[dh]
;W[eg]CR[eg]
;B[ci]
C[breakfast [1p\]: a joseki]
CR[ci]
)
(;B[ff]
C[sheehan [2d?\]: yes
breakfast [1p\]: this one?]
CR[ff]
;W[bg]CR[bg]
;B[bf]
C[sheehan [2d?\]: and now
sheehan [2d?\]: w d12
breakfast [1p\]: the next move is important]
CR[bf]

(;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[dh]CR[dh]
;W[cj]CR[cj]
;B[ej]
C[breakfast [1p\]: another joseki]
CR[ej]
)
(;W[dh]
C[breakfast [1p\]: yes
breakfast [1p\]: interesting
sheehan [2d?\]: what happens
breakfast [1p\]: the move, which was played first in Korea
breakfast [1p\]: few years ago]
CR[dh]
;B[eh]CR[eh]
;W[ei]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B has 2 ways]
CR[ei]

(;B[fh]
C[breakfast [1p\]: 1st
sheehan [2d?\]: is g16 possible for b
breakfast [1p\]: simple one
HolyHell [?\]: Looks like a different type of nadare sequence \
:)]
CR[fh]
;W[gd]
C[Namii [-\]: helps D12 group I guess]
CR[gd]

(;B[ej]CR[ej]
)
(;B[co]CR[co]

(;W[do]CR[do]
;B[cn]CR[cn]
;W[bp]CR[bp]
;B[dj]CR[dj]
;W[di]CR[di]
;B[cj]
C[breakfast [1p\]: the simple way 
breakfast [1p\]: B can easily avoid long josekis
Namii [-\]: what happens if w pincers instead of D5
Billaben [7k\]: I was getting lost so I looked up the actual game, \
=P the commentary is nice though
Namii [-\]: tt]
CR[cj]
)
(;W[cm]CR[cm]
;B[cq]
C[Namii [-\]: oh
breakfast [1p\]: B can use the tesuji
breakfast [1p\]: A-B are miai points]
LB[dp:A][bp:B]
CR[cq]
)))
(;B[gd]
C[breakfast [1p\]: second
breakfast [1p\]: complicated]
CR[gd]
;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[hc]
C[breakfast [1p\]: lot of variations here
sheehan [2d?\]: what is your judgement at thisstage
sheehan [2d?\]: is that a good fight for both
breakfast [1p\]: very complicated, but
breakfast [1p\]: interesting for W]
CR[hc]
;W[ge]CR[ge]
;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[hd]CR[hd]
;B[fd]CR[fd]
;W[fc]
C[breakfast [1p\]: too many variations
Billaben [7k\]: looks severe... I'd imagine white will find life \
one way or another
breakfast [1p\]: have no time to show all of them]
CR[fc]
)))))
(;B[cc]
C[Namii [-\]: Check at BGAdmins game
sheehan [2d?\]: b jumps out]
CR[cc]
;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[eb]CR[eb]
;W[fc]
C[breakfast [1p\]: another possibility
breakfast [1p\]: old japanese joseki
breakfast [1p\]: the result looks better for W]
CR[fc]
))
(;W[ki]
C[breakfast [1p\]: Keima is a joseki, but]
CR[ki]
)
(;W[be]CR[be]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[cd]
C[breakfast [1p\]: this one?
TimiS [1d\]: yes]
CR[cd]

(;B[bc]
C[playgo [3k\]: w gets 1 point evertime he crawls, cant be good]
CR[bc]

(;W[cg]
C[breakfast [1p\]: compicated one]
CR[cg]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[dg]CR[dg]
;W[ci]CR[ci]
;B[eg]CR[eg]
;W[bg]CR[bg]
;B[ae]CR[ae]
;W[fe]CR[fe]

;B[ei]CR[ei]
;W[dk]CR[dk]
;B[hh]
C[breakfast [1p\]: here is the punishment
breakfast [1p\]: the result is slightly better for Black]
CR[hh]
)
(;W[bf]CR[bf]
;B[cg]CR[cg]
;W[bg]
C[HolyHell [?\]: :P]
CR[bg]
;B[ch]CR[ch]
;W[bh]CR[bh]
;B[ci]
C[Tenbatsu [6d\]: I dislike them both :)]
CR[ci]
;W[bi]CR[bi]
;B[cj]CR[cj]
;W[bj]CR[bj]

;B[ck]CR[ck]
;W[cb]
C[breakfast [1p\]: not easy to say
Billaben [7k\]: ah... that does make sense... the thickness black \
gains isn't worth it
breakfast [1p\]: which side is better
breakfast [1p\]: depends on playing style
sheehan [2d?\]: white is better
breakfast [1p\]: :)
breakfast [1p\]: i prefer B]
CR[cb]
))
(;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[bc]CR[bc]
;B[ae]
C[TimiS [1d\]: ok, thanks:)]
CR[ae]
;W[ci]
C[breakfast [1p\]: white's plan]
CR[ci]
))
(;W[dh]
C[breakfast [1p\]: this one?]
CR[dh]
;B[df]
C[sheehan [2d?\]: yes]
CR[df]
;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[be]CR[be]

(;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[bg]CR[bg]
;W[ef]CR[ef]
;B[ci]
C[breakfast [1p\]: the 1st joseki]
CR[ci]
)
(;W[bg]
C[breakfast [1p\]: the 2nd one
duck123456 [5d?\]: C17?
breakfast [1p\]: probably the best way for W
Goldenboy2 [2d\]: i think i played something similar in a tournament \
with w at C12]
CR[bg]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[bf]CR[bf]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[ef]CR[ef]
;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[jq]
C[breakfast [1p\]: W has a huge moyo
sheehan [2d?\]: not too bad for w
breakfast [1p\]: you can see, that the result is much better for \
W , than the real game]
CR[jq]
)))
(;B[ci]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B can also think about the extension]
CR[ci]
;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[cl]
C[breakfast [1p\]: it will keep the game simple
breakfast [1p\]: now the shimari is not effective]
TR[ep][cp]
CR[cl]
))
(;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[dj]CR[dj]
;W[cl]
C[claint [10k?\]: white's spirit seems to be in line with B]
CR[cl]
;B[ef]
C[breakfast [1p\]: probably not enough for W]
CR[ef]
))
(;B[oj]CR[oj]
;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[pg]CR[pg]
;W[rg]CR[rg]
;B[rf]CR[rf]
;W[ri]
C[breakfast [1p\]: really bad adji here]
CR[ri]
))
(;W[ql]
C[breakfast [1p\]: if w makes a base]
CR[ql]
;B[cf]
C[breakfast [1p\]: B can play tennuki and attack the group later,
breakfast [1p\]: depending on situation]
CR[cf]
))
(;W[qg]
C[breakfast [1p\]: W should make the base first]
CR[qg]

(;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[cp]
C[breakfast [1p\]: now the shimari is perfect]
CR[cp]
)
(;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[nc]
C[breakfast [1p\]: If B playes tennuki
breakfast [1p\]: W attack the corner]
CR[nc]
)))
(;B[de]CR[de]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[bc]CR[bc]
;B[cb]CR[cb]

(;W[ed]
C[breakfast [1p\]: one of these variations
breakfast [1p\]: we will probably see this trick once again
breakfast [1p\]: as in game #2
breakfast [1p\]: Who can show me the best way for W?
breakfast [1p\]: for B sorry
breakfast [1p\]: not good enough for B
breakfast [1p\]: the corner is too big
Tenbatsu [6d\]: Seems like some fighting will follow...
Tenbatsu [6d\]: D18?
HolyHell [?\]: d18, then c15?
bubulle [1d\]: what is the following of the last position ?
breakfast [1p\]: any other suggestions?
breakfast [1p\]: well, i will show the answer]
CR[ed]

(;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[bd]CR[bd]

(;B[be]CR[be]
;W[bb]
C[bubulle [1d\]: isn't that ok ?]
CR[bb]
;B[cj]
C[breakfast [1p\]: this was the 2nd game]
CR[cj]
)
(;B[bb]CR[bb]
;W[be]CR[be]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[bg]
C[breakfast [1p\]: by the way
breakfast [1p\]: the trick is possible, only if the ladder is \
favourable]
CR[bg]
))
(;B[db]CR[db]
;W[ec]CR[ec]

(;B[bd]
C[breakfast [1p\]: like this?
playgo [3k\]: yes]
CR[bd]
;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[cf]CR[cf]

(;B[bb]
C[Tenbatsu [6d\]: This is one of the variations, if I remember right
breakfast [1p\]: the wall is too strong
Tenbatsu [6d\]: D14 instead?]
CR[bb]
)
(;B[df]CR[df]
;W[cg]CR[cg]
;B[dg]CR[dg]
;W[ch]CR[ch]
;B[bb]CR[bb]
;W[dh]
C[breakfast [1p\]: possible, but
breakfast [1p\]: not easy for B to fight]
CR[dh]
))
(;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[bb]CR[bb]
;W[be]CR[be]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[cf]
C[HolyHell [?\]: Same thing, I see.
breakfast [1p\]: B cannot play this way, if the ladder is unfavourable]
CR[cf]
))
(;B[ee]
C[breakfast [1p\]: the only move]
CR[ee]

(;W[fe]
C[breakfast [1p\]: if W defends]
CR[fe]
;B[ff]CR[ff]
;W[ge]CR[ge]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[bb]CR[bb]
;W[be]CR[be]
;B[bf]
C[breakfast [1p\]: W would ba captured]
CR[bf]
)
(;W[be]CR[be]
;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[hd]CR[hd]
;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[id]CR[id]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[bd]CR[bd]

;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[bb]CR[bb]
;B[fd]CR[fd]
;W[ec]
C[HolyHell [?\]: B gets wall]
CR[ec]
;B[cg]
C[breakfast [1p\]: here is the punishment
breakfast [1p\]: the result is much better for B
breakfast [1p\]: a huge wall
breakfast [1p\]: well, let's come back to the real game]
CR[cg]
)))
(;W[db]CR[db]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[bb]CR[bb]
;B[cj]
C[breakfast [1p\]: here is the normal joseki
breakfast [1p\]: E16 stone is much better
playgo [3k\]: what about taking the corner with b]
TR[ed][db]
CR[cj]
))
(;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[qh]CR[qh]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[pi]CR[pi]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[kc]
C[breakfast [1p\]: the most popular pattern]
CR[kc]
)
(;B[qk]
C[breakfast [1p\]: another possibility
breakfast [1p\]: the move which was invented in China few years \
ago]
CR[qk]
;W[pk]CR[pk]
;B[ql]
C[Tenbatsu [6d\]: Looks a bit weird to my eyes, though :)]
CR[ql]
;W[pj]CR[pj]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[qn]CR[qn]
;W[qm]CR[qm]
;B[rm]CR[rm]

;W[pm]
C[breakfast [1p\]: the classic pattern]
CR[pm]
))
