
(;SZ[19]AP[GOWrite:2.3.25]CA[UTF-8]FF[4]GM[1]ST[2]RU[Japanese]MN[1]PB[Andrew Simons]C[BGAadmin \[-\]\: morning all
BGAadmin \[-\]\: Adrew Kay is seated to my right, Andrew Simons to my left]KM[6.50]PW[Andrew Kay]TM[10800]FG[259:East Midlands Teaching Day\: Professional Game]DT[2016-02-14]PM[2]BR[4d]OT[10/600 Canadian]WR[5d]GN[British Championship 2015 - game 3]
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BGAadmin \[-\]\: we're starting a little early
BGAadmin \[-\]\: because we were ready]B[pp]
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;C[omggg \[2k?\]\: What's the venue?
BGAadmin \[-\]\: we're playing at Andrew Kay's mother's house for this game
BGAadmin \[-\]\: the last game was held at Andrew Simon's house, so that seems fair...
BGAadmin \[-\]\: time limits are 3 hours each, plus 10 stones/10 minutes Canadian overtime
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;C[BGAadmin \[-\]\: so don't expect a fast game \:-)
YoungPro \[-\]\: why isn't this at top of active games?
BGAadmin \[-\]\: the game was organised only in the last couple of days, so we couldn't give KGS advance notice they require
BGAadmin \[-\]\: note that this is the deciding game of the 2015 British Championship
YoungPro \[-\]\: i wrote the admin
YoungPro \[-\]\: he will see it soon \:)
YoungPro \[-\]\: k3 is kind of oldfashioned
YoungPro \[-\]\: but maybe its possible when black has c6 instead of c5
YoungPro \[-\]\: usually people play o3]B[qf]
;C[BGAadmin \[-\]\: well now he has both \:-)
YoungPro \[-\]\: o3 r6 q2 or o3 r6 k3 ,we saw lately that after o3,r6 people play e3 but e3 is not possible now because b will play d4,which is bad exchange for white \:) because c6 is larger than c5
BGAadmin \[-\]\: there will be a break in play at around 12\:30 GMT for lunch
BGAadmin \[-\]\: there is a goban trophy that the champion can hold for 1 year
YoungPro \[-\]\: black can answer with r6 or q6]W[nq]
;C[YoungPro \[-\]\: q6 is more japanese style,because r14 is low and thats the feeling \:) also q6 aims more at center and m3 invasion]B[nc]
;C[YoungPro \[-\]\: he can also double yeah..
YoungPro \[-\]\: but later r6 is painful \:)]W[pf]
;B[pg]
;C[YoungPro \[-\]\: what is the result up to now?
BGAadmin \[-\]\: 1 game each
BGAadmin \[-\]\: so this is the deciding game
BGAadmin \[-\]\: both of the previous games were won by 2.5 points
YoungPro \[-\]\: ah my question was stupid \:D
BGAadmin \[-\]\: Andrew Kay won the first and Andrew Simons the second
YoungPro \[-\]\: its interesting \:) i think r17 r15 q17 r13 r6 is alright,but its little too plain
YoungPro \[-\]\: r16 r15 s15 q15 s13 r17 s16 seems not good for white so white should play r16 r17 r15 p17 orr16 r17 r15 q18 not sure,these josekis are always weird
YoungPro \[-\]\: r15 is also possible
BGAadmin \[-\]\: hi to all those just joining us
U \[?\]\: go uberdude]W[of]
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;C[YoungPro \[-\]\: r15 r16 n16 p17 p17 p18 o16 o18 q18]B[md]
;W[oc]
;B[ob]
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;C[YoungPro \[-\]\: and then maybe n14 o13 r11]B[nb]
;C[YZ1509 \[4d\]\: the brittish championship was recorded before a live audience.]W[pb]
;B[mf]
;C[U \[?\]\: you played p17 twice. cheats
YoungPro \[-\]\: r11 s15]W[ng]
;C[YoungPro \[-\]\: after s15
YoungPro \[-\]\: black can decide whether to play j17 or somethign at right side,but better to play something at top
YoungPro \[-\]\: cuz maybe q4 will support enough \:) and i don't think he is afraid of this fight also \:)
BGAadmin \[-\]\: for those who've just joined us\: this is the deciding game of the British Championship 2015 title match
BGAadmin \[-\]\: I'm relaying this from side on
BGAadmin \[-\]\: so Andrew Kay (white) is playing from my right, and Andrew Simons (black) is playing from the left
P0tat0 \[?\]\: the battle of andrews \:)
BGAadmin \[-\]\: time limits are 3 hours each plus 10 stones/10 minutes overtime
efferdoug \[1d\]\: are one of these players warfreak here on kgs?
oohbetty \[2k?\]\: Oh, I thought we started at 10?
BGAadmin \[-\]\: so far, Andrew Simons has used 25 minutes of his clock, Andrew Kay 5 minutes of his
BGAadmin \[-\]\: we started a little early
oohbetty \[2k?\]\: Never mind, there goes 10 years of not missing a game.
jzjz1324 \[6k\]\: is there a prize pool?]B[qi]
;C[U \[?\]\: not like you missed the game tyou just missed the first few moves
BGAadmin \[-\]\: oohbetty\: sorry!
BGAadmin \[-\]\: you still have 6 hours+ of the game left probably \:)
BGAadmin \[-\]\: going by the other games, it's likely we'll get into byo-yomi
efferdoug \[1d\]\: time settings? and is one of these players warfreak?
BGAadmin \[-\]\: Andrew Kay (white) is warfreak
BGAadmin \[-\]\: Andrew Simons (black) is uberdude
BGAadmin \[-\]\: time settings are 3 hours each plus 10 stones/10 minutes Canadian overtime
BGAadmin \[-\]\: Andrew Kay dressed smartly in a suit as he has been for all of these games
BGAadmin \[-\]\: Andrew Simons wearing his lucky hat
vava \[3d\]\: should black go r18 immediately YoungPro ?
wry \[3d\]\: Do players get a pause for tea time in British tournaments?
omggg \[2k?\]\: lucky hat hehe
BGAadmin \[-\]\: wry\: only pause is for lunch \:)
BGAadmin \[-\]\: there will be a break in play at around 12\:30
BGAadmin \[-\]\: we will have a sealed move at that point
LinuxGooo \[10k\]\: Is it streamed on Youtube or Twitch.TV, too ? \:-)
BGAadmin \[-\]\: no... but I've been wondering about that for the 2016 championship...
LinuxGooo \[10k\]\: \:-)]W[gc]
;C[BGAadmin \[-\]\: r18 it is]B[qb]
;C[MarcoRubio\: I really don't like this game for white
wry \[3d\]\: also prefer b for now
BGAadmin \[-\]\: still plenty of time \:)
YoungPro \[-\]\: white g17 was bad
YoungPro \[-\]\: problematic \:)
Nam \[-\]\: review?]W[qa]
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;W[pa]
;C[YoungPro \[-\]\: usually we always play s15]B[qc]
;C[U \[?\]\: yea its 4am here i could probably sleep, wake up and game is still ongoing
Beef \[3d\]\: for anyone interested\: there is a game being played between Lee Chang Ho en Cho Chi hun
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: omitting s18 would allow b s16]W[rb]
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;C[Beef \[3d\]\: check USGO2
YoungPro \[-\]\: and also]W[rd]
;B[sb]
;C[YoungPro \[-\]\: alwyas when b play r18,we play p19 hane,so that later we can cut at n17..
U \[?\]\: beef thats a review session thats starting in 45 min
YoungPro \[-\]\: this is dissaster for w
ais \[2d\]\: o15
U \[?\]\: i think?
wry \[3d\]\: yeah but I need to pick a winner quickly, won't stay until 5am to know who really won \:p
Beef \[3d\]\: oh \:)
U \[?\]\: yeah thats right
Nam \[-\]\: what rank they are?
U \[?\]\: had to check to make sure
Camoulox \[3k?\]\: 4d and 5d
U \[?\]\: kim myungwan 9p going to review it
ais \[2d\]\: 4 and 5 dan look up
Nam \[-\]\: is Kim BGAadmin?
ais \[2d\]\: you also can ask who is playing
MarcoRubio\: What does white even have here
BGAadmin \[-\]\: BGAadmin for today is me - Matt Marsh
MarcoRubio\: horrible result locally and doesn't even end with sente
Nam \[-\]\: thx Matt \:)
flatwhite \[3k\]\: doesn't seem too bad for white
flatwhite \[3k\]\: both black groups are weak
ais \[2d\]\: hello Matt, how are you?
MarcoRubio\: the white group doesn't have an eye yet either
U \[?\]\: well b is going to fix the weakness of top grop now id guess and w cant really attack the right side anyway
YoungPro \[-\]\: andrew simons still 4d \:D i can't believe.. sometimes he play really strong.. imean.. he has incredible results.. \:)
YoungPro \[-\]\: not sure how he is 4d.. \:)
BGAadmin \[-\]\: I'm good \:)
Elom \[3k\]\: We must remember this was a double approach
BGAadmin \[-\]\: both players very deep in thought
MarcoRubio\: not going to be easy to attack the right assuming black reinforces top
efferdoug \[1d\]\: youngpro, do you like this result for w? because i prefer b
YoungPro \[-\]\: if this was pro game
YoungPro \[-\]\: after these two w mistakes
YoungPro \[-\]\: it must be over..
Elom \[3k\]\: treat it as if it were black's corner, I guess?
U \[?\]\: and w took sente a second timt o get g17
TobyM \[2d?\]\: Flatwhite\: It IS bad for white, as black has removed all the eyes IN SENTE.
BGAadmin \[-\]\: as always, Andrew Simons is using his tme a lot more than Andrew Key in the game
vava \[3d\]\: this is joseki except that white is supposed to live in the corner...
YoungPro \[-\]\: g17 was mistake
YoungPro \[-\]\: r19 mistae..
BGAadmin \[-\]\: black already used 42 minutes compared to 6 minutes used by white
U \[?\]\: thats how it is every year
MarcoRubio\: white should've used more time
efferdoug \[1d\]\: what to substitute r19 with?
U \[?\]\: w plays fast b plays slow
YoungPro \[-\]\: usually r19 is at p19,so that when b play r17 q17 s16 n17 white can cut at n17 \:)
MarcoRubio\: i'd say black has at least won back komi
YoungPro \[-\]\: also,g17 was mistake because r18 is too painful.we usually play s15 and after that b has two choices
YoungPro \[-\]\: j17 or to add more at right side (no way to add move at right side)
YoungPro \[-\]\: so he will play j17
YoungPro \[-\]\: after that white will play r9
YoungPro \[-\]\: which will lead to fight \:)]W[pc]
;C[LEIBNIZ \[2k\]\: if w R9, in fight to come, b will lean on 013
YoungPro \[-\]\: not possible,because white will have s15,already strong group \:)
YoungPro \[-\]\: b won't be able to gain much
YoungPro \[-\]\: thats why usually i don't like that variation for b
Nam \[-\]\: why he did s18?]B[jc]
;C[BGAadmin \[-\]\: black nodding his head in approval at o11
MarcoRubio\: do you mean before or after the exchange in the corner?]W[ni]
;C[BGAadmin \[-\]\: white took longer over o11 than any of his other moves so far
U \[?\]\: YP is saying that w shouldnt have played s15 instead of g17
U \[?\]\: should have*
MarcoRubio\: for sure
YoungPro \[-\]\: but anyway\; ) still a game.. \;)
YoungPro \[-\]\: i have seen a lot strange winning losings.. so.. \:D
MarcoRubio\: tenuki really strange choice there, the value of taking sente there is not worth losing your base in gote
YoungPro \[-\]\: i never believe in ''won game'' when i watch amateurs \:D
YoungPro \[-\]\: even in pros sometimes haha
wry \[3d\]\: b must be happy with the result here, last 2 moves made points and now both groups are solid, while white got almost nothing
YoungPro \[-\]\: yep
YoungPro \[-\]\: now the game is bad for white \:)
LEIBNIZ \[2k\]\: umhumm
YoungPro \[-\]\: but he will play agressive \:)
flatwhite \[3k\]\: why did white choose o11 instead of r9?
LEIBNIZ \[2k\]\: I think that b resonds with a lean attack on O13 is why
U \[?\]\: o9 is overplay
U \[?\]\: r9
flatwhite \[3k\]\: i feel like attacking that grou
flatwhite \[3k\]\: now its too late
U \[?\]\: how can you attack when youre weak yourself
MarcoRubio\: after r9 the fight would be good for black
flatwhite \[3k\]\: best defense is offense
Fiery \[2k\]\: b would gain too much pushing your weak group
MarcoRubio\: creating another weak group just gives black a splitting attack
U \[?\]\: dont go fishing when your house is on fire
MarcoRubio\: considering the top is solid now
BGAadmin \[-\]\: both players have stepped away for a moment
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: oh there is plenty of choice here now
Zonked \[3d\]\: difficult to decide if left side is interesting, seems rather miai with topleft corner
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: c10 f3 r6 r3
Zonked \[3d\]\: I would opt for r3, seems like it makes good use of k3
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: i would go f3
Zonked \[3d\]\: f3, so that you can approach at c8 next?
Zonked \[3d\]\: or is there some other reason why f3 and not g3?
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: i'd say f3 and o5 to build the lowerside
Zonked \[3d\]\: uh..
MarcoRubio\: g3 would be ok against keima enclosure
Zonked \[3d\]\: build from two low stones, not sure I can agree with that
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: f3 opens c3 invasion and snatching a corner aswell
BGAadmin \[-\]\: both players back now
MarcoRubio\: i think it's too routine against the wider extension
BGAadmin \[-\]\: white's clock still going
Zonked \[3d\]\: I can understand f3, but more in a way to prepare for r3, while also setting up bomes in bottom left and c8
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: yes making more balance to k3 for the corner invasions aji
MarcoRubio\: bomes?
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: mind you i might plunge r10 too ^^
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: but for now o5 and o8 makes a great link
Elom \[3k\]\: r10, for warriors .
YoungPro \[-\]\: c15 possile
MarcoRubio\: now I think this is a very important moment
YoungPro \[-\]\: or g3 no idea,but i will play c15 immediately]B[ql]
;C[YoungPro \[-\]\: wth...
LEIBNIZ \[2k\]\: wow, big fight
flatwhite \[3k\]\: i still fee like whit eshould have played r8 instead of o11 lol
YoungPro \[-\]\: ah no
YoungPro \[-\]\: you can't just overplay and think that you are playing aggresive
YoungPro \[-\]\: there is much difference between playing agressive and overplaying..
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: are they going to play that upperright pattern now in this corner with revesed colours?
vava \[3d\]\: i was expecting that meme
Elom \[3k\]\: Heh, P5 and hope for the best
MarcoRubio\: there is no way black will play P5
Elom \[3k\]\: or m3/r9 (how kyu players see things)
MarcoRubio\: you'd consider r9??
Elom \[3k\]\: ah, r6
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: yes m3 is an obvious kyu move indeed
Nam \[-\]\: yup]W[qn]
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;C[YoungPro \[-\]\: this seems bad for white
Elom \[3k\]\: what happens if black plays r5 /v/ p5?
flatwhite \[3k\]\: is it p5 r5 q7?
flatwhite \[3k\]\: then white cut at p4 or extend at r4?
MarcoRubio\: why would black play like that
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: playing r5 is out of the question, as white will quickly link o3 towards o11 all the way
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: such a massive wall and d5 being white sente too, will probably seal the game
flatwhite \[3k\]\: so if black plays p5 does he play p6 or q7 after p5 r5?
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: yes i am amazed it takes him that long
BGAadmin \[-\]\: time remaining\: black 2h00m, white 2h37m
BGAadmin \[-\]\: black almost played a move then, but seemed to change his mind]W[po]
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;C[BGAadmin \[-\]\: so, p5 it was
BGAadmin \[-\]\: now whites turn to think
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: let's cut blindly and say oops in the upcomming 5 moves ^^
stonewolf \[6k\]\: this looks like it will put pressure on top right white group and will likely give black a lot of sente options]B[pm]
;C[flatwhite \[3k\]\: can blacj play r3?
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: r3 q3 p4 q2 ?
YoungPro \[-\]\: he can play r3 if he is bored and want to resign fast
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: i see a ko
flatwhite \[3k\]\: after q2 if black then s3 does he have no chance of winning the catpure
stonewolf \[6k\]\: p4 looks okay to me, but im only a kyu, seems like it would put pressure on o3
BGAadmin \[-\]\: I don't think it's likely that either will resign fast \:)
BGAadmin \[-\]\: it's not their style - and rightly so
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: r3 q3 p4 q2 s3 this sequence, well black has three libs white has 4, so r3, s3 can be caught]W[qp]
;C[YZ1509 \[4d\]\: only move
MarcoRubio\: Europe still has a long way to go before the top players can close out leads as systematically as in the Asian pro scene
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: well even a raskal like me took pro-scalps in asia...lol]B[oq]
;C[flatwhite \[3k\]\: q2?]W[qr]
;B[np]
;C[YZ1509 \[4d\]\: first steal away sente of the opponent
TobyM \[2d?\]\: If Q2, how do you answer O4?
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: and that's the ko i saw, slightly unplayable for now, but a ko pattern]W[mq]
;C[YZ1509 \[4d\]\: does black really expect white to play a docile m3?
TobyM \[2d?\]\: What is the alternative?
BGAadmin \[-\]\: how much does white need to start worying about his top right group now?]B[lp]
;W[pj]
;C[BGAadmin \[-\]\: I guess white was indeed concerned about it
Zonked \[3d\]\: white can easily tenuki and survive, tho its probably prudent to add a move to avoid giving forcing moves
petroskyu \[?\]\: how likely is white at O7
Zonked \[3d\]\: white m12 looks simple and good enough
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: o7 just asks black if he will connect, so why would you waste the cutting-aji
Zonked \[3d\]\: could jump further, but increases aji
petroskyu \[?\]\: is white at s12 playable? to take away eye space from black group?]B[qj]
;W[lh]
;C[YZ1509 \[4d\]\: later it is
oasthouse \[-\]\: This game looks very good for black
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: but white t16 isn't sente at this stage since white takes far to little points killing the corner in 2 moves
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: m12 might have been n4]B[lq]
;W[jo]
;C[Zonked \[2d\]\: white could have exchanged it instead of playing m12
Zonked \[2d\]\: or before playing m12 that is
Elom \[3k\]\: For more information on british championship, http\://britgo.org/tournaments/bchamp]B[ip]
;W[jp]
;C[TobyM \[2d?\]\: But W does not know whther to play T16 or T15]B[gq]
;C[BGAadmin \[-\]\: Andrew Simons nodding his head again at that one
BGAadmin \[-\]\: we have about another hour to play before we break for lunch]W[or]
;C[BGAadmin \[-\]\: the game is using a more Chinese-style set this time - single-convex stones on a bamboo board
BGAadmin \[-\]\: is everyone waiting to see if Andrew Simons plays an empty triangle just before lunch again?
TobyM \[2d?\]\: W can't let B play at K7 - it would be too painful]B[ln]
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;B[ci]
;C[YZ1509 \[4d\]\: maybe he would say they are less colourful ^^
oasthouse \[-\]\: Black K9 or so could still be dangerous for whtie
oasthouse \[-\]\: Maybe c11 too early to cash in?
TobyM \[2d?\]\: No C11 good - it prepares for the forthcoming attack at L9 or thereabouts.]W[cp]
;C[oasthouse \[-\]\: But can attack directly instead
petroskyu \[?\]\: would black at c17 be a response to white at c4?
oasthouse \[-\]\: B J6 then K9 or something
oasthouse \[-\]\: White two unsettled groups would be a problem
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: then make three
oasthouse \[-\]\: Still, as you say, this way is still dangerous for white
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: m8 for white is still to small, so white has no hurry playing a splitting-attack over dame yet
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: * so black has
oasthouse \[-\]\: OK, fair enough
oasthouse \[-\]\: I would play the attack, but maybe it's too soon \:)]B[dp]
;C[YZ1509 \[4d\]\: black would rather play some ikkentobi like h9 h11 at this stage
BGAadmin \[-\]\: or L17 apparently \:)
BGAadmin \[-\]\: sorry, that's white, not black \:)
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: white is throwing random yose-miru]W[kc]
;C[oasthouse \[-\]\: why m17?]B[lc]
;C[YZ1509 \[4d\]\: on l16 white would take m17, being forced to play n17 isn't appealing is it
Elom \[3k\]\: m17 feels like the toughest move on white
oasthouse \[-\]\: what about l16 instead?
Elom \[3k\]\: l16 feels easier on white
oasthouse \[-\]\: how so?
oasthouse \[-\]\: I was thinking b m17 is on the inside, making l17 a free kikashi. Later w can do l16 then k16 press
Elom \[3k\]\: white seems to be able to play connecting moves with more ease
Elom \[3k\]\: l16,k18
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: l16 m17 o15 p16 k16 n17 n18 m16 m15 ko?
BGAadmin \[-\]\: time remaining\: black has 1h30m and white has 2h05m]W[ce]
;B[ec]
;W[dc]
;B[ge]
;C[FudgeBlue \[?\]\: any explanation for e15?
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: my count says it's slight black lead, nothing more than 4
oasthouse \[-\]\: Good point YZ. Maybe k16 instead of l16?
oasthouse \[-\]\: I can't count, but feels like b should be ahead
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: e15 keeps both g17 alive , needed for pulling out l17 and makes an entry to the centre left
oasthouse \[-\]\: Left side could end up quite big in view of weak w groups
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: omitting e15 would provoke a black f17 quickly to split white]W[ee]
;B[ei]
;C[YZ1509 \[4d\]\: ko-corner
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: did white forget to play a move in this shape werfeus?
BGAadmin \[-\]\: it wouldn't be the first game where we've had big ko fights \:)
BGAadmin \[-\]\: anyone remember the first game?
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: i was surprised to see c4 without f4 firstly i mean
smilingmug \[?\]\: the ko is no problem for B]W[cq]
;B[dr]
;W[bn]
;B[bo]
;W[co]
;C[YZ1509 \[4d\]\: oh black has bigger plans
oasthouse \[-\]\: yep
oasthouse \[-\]\: As you said - three weak groups
TobyM \[2d?\]\: Three weak groups
oasthouse \[-\]\: ha
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: presicesly ^^]B[bm]
;C[YZ1509 \[4d\]\: precisely
oasthouse \[-\]\: This isn't the simplest way, but could be best
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: well it's black doing now
oasthouse \[-\]\: b j6 soon?
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: with the ko in the corner i counted a marginal black win
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: but this guy wants blood
sixdaneuro\: j6 good
BGAadmin \[-\]\: we're in the midlands
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: isn't the oxygen deprivation a problem on that altitude?
BGAadmin \[-\]\: once we reach 12\:20 we will seal the followng move for the lunch break]W[do]
;C[sixdaneuro\: w has difficult position
oasthouse \[-\]\: yes
sixdaneuro\: strange not j6 before g6]B[gn]
;C[sixdaneuro\: maybe g5 if black immediately j6]W[cm]
;B[dn]
;W[en]
;C[Alligato \[2d\]\: b was in a good position before E11
oasthouse \[-\]\: and after E11 too
sixdaneuro\: i rather be b
Alligato \[2d\]\: w has more chances now
sixdaneuro\: difficult for w
sixdaneuro\: too weak
Alligato \[2d\]\: had E11 move protected the corner, w has no where to fight
sixdaneuro\: w has to somehow escape without killing k4
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: black didn't play j6 since he can never be cut in the nikkentobi
BGAadmin \[-\]\: next move will be sealed
sixdaneuro\: y but j6 more severe against k4 group
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: j6 is a move to protect cuttingsequence through the nikkentobi, but in this pattern black still holds k6 to himself
oasthouse \[-\]\: not convinced by c7 tesuji. may be simple d6 is better?
sixdaneuro\: i prefer j6 for white heaviness first
sixdaneuro\: but k6 maybe later
sixdaneuro\: hard to say
oasthouse \[-\]\: I would have played j6 FWIW
Alligato \[2d\]\: w nearly lost the game after the top right
sixdaneuro\: well f5 threatens a legit cut now
sixdaneuro\: if d6 directly cut no work
BGAadmin \[-\]\: we are sealing now
oasthouse \[-\]\: f5 after d6 would also threaten a cut?
sixdaneuro\: e6 stone important
sixdaneuro\: after f5, if no reply, g5, h5, h6
sixdaneuro\: then g6 stone in trouble because w e6
BGAadmin \[-\]\: clocks paused\: black has 1h10m and white has 1h55m remaining
Alligato \[2d\]\: do understand C7
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: on f5 black plays g5 for sure
sixdaneuro\: then w can play out
sixdaneuro\: but difficult
sixdaneuro\: k4 weakened
BGAadmin \[-\]\: ok, so we are breaking for lunch now
oasthouse \[-\]\: but f5 after d6, b will still play g5, right?
oasthouse \[-\]\: Quite closely matched. White is the incumbent.
oasthouse \[-\]\: I think W probably has a plus record against B historically, but not checked
sixdaneuro\: ok
oasthouse \[-\]\: incumbent = current champion
sixdaneuro\: ok ty
Alligato \[2d\]\: current + last year
Alligato \[2d\]\: =
oasthouse \[-\]\: White is 50 pts or so higher in rating list, but black is very good at slow games
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: well white has an easy game from now on, he just needs to find the move with which he survives
sixdaneuro\: w needs something a bit special but the special moves don't look good
sixdaneuro\: and the normal moves not also
oasthouse \[-\]\: It's going to be crazy fighting from now, so anything could happen
oasthouse \[-\]\: I think b should be good, but who knows
TheClapton \[3d?\]\: aguilar also lost to 1d afterwards
rats \[2d?\]\: those were simultaneous games
BGAadmin \[-\]\: whilst we are waiting to get back on the way again, take a look at this year's British Go Congress page\: http\://bgc2016.sheffieldgoclub.org.uk/
BGAadmin \[-\]\: you're all welcome to come along to that \:)
BGAadmin \[-\]\: we're about to start again
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: e7
BGAadmin \[-\]\: correct \:)]B[dm]
;C[YZ1509 \[4d\]\: maybe he won't see it to be ate after lunch
BGAadmin \[-\]\: E7 was the sealed move
BGAadmin \[-\]\: clocks back on the move]W[em]
;C[BGAadmin \[-\]\: time remaining\: black has 1h10m, white has 1h55m]B[dl]
;C[YZ1509 \[4d\]\: and now we'll witness the power of mums cooking
BGAadmin \[-\]\: she made us all some very nice curry dishes
]W[ep]
;B[fo]
;C[sixdaneuro\: w probably netted now
sixdaneuro\: this is why e4 not great
virgil\: b is overplaying
sixdaneuro\: even if escape, black so strong on outside, k4 just dead
sixdaneuro\: which is overplay?
sixdaneuro\: f5?
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: what next, there is no geta
sixdaneuro\: as w runs, k4 made so weak
sixdaneuro\: but white f3 cut potentially good aji for w
sixdaneuro\: so b g8 immediately too risky i think
sixdaneuro\: but how can w escape without killing k4
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: yes white f3 f2 g2 aji is the problem
sixdaneuro\: y
sixdaneuro\: i still would rather have j6/k6 trade in place
virgil\: d2 trying to kill was overplay
TobyM \[2d?\]\: B F3 - destroys all the aji - now all the problems are white's
sixdaneuro\: y
sixdaneuro\: but it's a bit passive
sixdaneuro\: maybe w can get out cleanly if just f3
sixdaneuro\: so k4 not too damaged
virgil\: b wants j6 ?
sixdaneuro\: b should have j6 ealrier
sixdaneuro\: before g6
sixdaneuro\: it's not the proper time now
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: f3 e8 g8 d9 c8 f10 and white is out
sixdaneuro\: y and out in good style
sixdaneuro\: b maybe sacrifice d2 to strongly attacking k4 group
sixdaneuro\: g8 f3 k9 maybe
sixdaneuro\: or j9
sixdaneuro\: something like that
virgil\: w has potentially 3 weak groups
sixdaneuro\: j6/k6 exchange so useful though
virgil\: b is trying to start some splitting attack
sixdaneuro\: y
sixdaneuro\: can give up d2 if kill k4
sixdaneuro\: easily win
virgil\: not easy
luko\: andrew becomes stronger every year
BGAadmin \[-\]\: which one? \:)
luko\: he is already leading]W[eo]
;C[sixdaneuro\: mmm
sixdaneuro\: this should have been done earlier
sixdaneuro\: w might not k6 anymore]B[in]
;W[fq]
;C[Alligato \[2d\]\: b is behind now
sixdaneuro\: mmm
sixdaneuro\: bit clumsy
sixdaneuro\: but maybe ok
oasthouse \[-\]\: I'd take b any day
sixdaneuro\: see what happens with k4
sixdaneuro\: i think b still better
sixdaneuro\: but if w gets out without k4 damaged too much
Alligato \[2d\]\: J6 is slow
Alligato \[2d\]\: no need to attack the 4 white
sixdaneuro\: y, need to be larger scale]B[fr]
;C[TobyM \[2d?\]\: Was G4 better than G2?
TobyM \[2d?\]\: E3 F4 H2 seems to give B life ... and all the problems are still with White
TobyM \[2d?\]\: (byut there may be better sequences for B)
Alligato \[2d\]\: w is live]W[gr]
;C[sixdaneuro\: b is never going to die here
sixdaneuro\: w has weak group either side
sixdaneuro\: oh i see you mean the d2 side lives
oasthouse \[-\]\: b can capture k3 and have a ko for d2
sixdaneuro\: that's probably enough
]B[hr]
;W[er]
;B[gs]
;W[eq]
;B[jn]
;W[lr]
;B[kr]
;C[Alligato \[2d\]\: still a close game, b is a little better
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: swap d3 for k3 isn't good for black, the ko would have been alot better
sixdaneuro\: maybe b take sente now]W[mr]
;C[sixdaneuro\: i dunno why he takes so long if he is just going to play k2
sixdaneuro\: w getting e15 is really big
sixdaneuro\: works so well with g17 stone
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: they play very slow timesetting
sixdaneuro\: y but k2 not a move that takes 5 mins to think of
Alligato \[2d\]\: B4 then play top
sixdaneuro\: b will tenuki b4
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: yes b4 might have been taken before f3
sixdaneuro\: y
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: but white rather keeps e8 semi-sente
Alligato \[2d\]\: b shouldn't tenuki
sixdaneuro\: capture b5 is small
sixdaneuro\: both already alive enough
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: yes focus now on l17 i presume
sixdaneuro\: y
sixdaneuro\: i want d9 but not proper timing]B[jr]
;C[sixdaneuro\: y i would play this]W[ic]
;C[sixdaneuro\: kikashi at least
Alligato \[2d\]\: b can play B4
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: to bad i have other obligations, have fun
]B[jd]
;W[id]
;C[MiniRock \[15k\]\: J15 for white then F14 is that too small ?
MiniRock \[15k\]\: *G14]B[je]
;W[ph]
;C[
sixdaneuro\: g15 stone tiny at the moment
virgil\: k4 small, good to sacrifice]B[qg]
;W[se]
;C[TobyM \[2d?\]\: My analysis of the lower L corner is that obviously W can live\; B b4 c4 a2 d1 d3 ends in a ko in th corner for the second eye..
TobyM \[2d?\]\: Obviously the ko is useless for B while the W group can escape with F8 etc.
sixdaneuro\: it's not really relevant while w can freely run
sixdaneuro\: white will b4 soon i think]B[sc]
;C[sixdaneuro\: s9 painful
sixdaneuro\: b needs to be careful
sixdaneuro\: this is quite a bit gained for w
sixdaneuro\: close now, b still a bit ahead though
sixdaneuro\: maybe b+5
qz5771640\: .
sixdaneuro\: s7 here maybe for b
sixdaneuro\: tricky
sixdaneuro\: just r12 a bit slow
sixdaneuro\: giving those 4 up is not so bad because t15 undercuts
sixdaneuro\: s7 best locally but tenuki bigger possibly, b4]W[og]
;B[lj]
;C[virgil\: hard to believe b missed this again
Alligato \[2d\]\: no push and cut
virgil\: now sacifice r13 and kill d5 lol
Alligato \[2d\]\: so won't help centre w group]W[rk]
;C[sixdaneuro\: b playing like he is behind but he is ahead
sixdaneuro\: or was
sixdaneuro\: maybe throw game away]B[pi]
;C[Alligato \[2d\]\: this is a strong move, I would just connect at (9]W[qh]
;B[rh]
;C[Alligato \[2d\]\: R9]W[oh]
;B[rj]
;W[li]
;C[Alligato \[2d\]\: I will lose the game if I play w
Alligato \[2d\]\: from now]B[mj]
;W[ji]
;C[Neamtujose \[4k\]\: wG16?
Alligato \[2d\]\: w need make the group live first]B[kj]
;C[TobyM \[2d?\]\: G16 is irrelevant while the centre group is eyeless
MiniRock \[15k\]\: am i wrong to think that black already won ? Looks like (to me) that white will juste have some points on the corner and all the center are for black
Alligato \[2d\]\: b 50+ w ~50]W[ig]
;C[TobyM \[2d?\]\: I thhink B has more than 50]B[ie]
;C[TobyM \[2d?\]\: He has 50 in the lower R alone]W[pe]
;C[TobyM \[2d?\]\: especiallyif he plays at O10
Alligato \[2d\]\: 50+]B[rg]
;W[nj]
;C[TobyM \[2d?\]\: too late!]B[nk]
;C[Alligato \[2d\]\: who get b4 will win]W[jj]
;B[jk]
;W[ok]
;C[Alligato \[2d\]\: ?]B[nl]
;C[Alligato \[2d\]\: Q11 shoud be R9]W[qk]
;C[Neamtujose \[4k\]\: b will die in the right?
Alligato \[2d\]\: b ok]B[rl]
;C[MooDoGo \[3k\]\: ko on s14/t14?
BGAadmin \[-\]\: black s15 is still there if black needs it
Neamtujose \[4k\]\: T10 for w?
Alligato \[2d\]\: no need to play T8 now
BGAadmin \[-\]\: black has 0h29m remaining on his clock
BGAadmin \[-\]\: white still has 1h21m remaining on his
]W[sl]
;C[TobyM \[2d?\]\: B now needs S15 to live, so W can connect at S7 and live]B[ol]
;C[TobyM \[2d?\]\: Big ko
BGAadmin \[-\]\: why doesn't black just play s15?
BGAadmin \[-\]\: surely then white has to play t16
Alligato \[2d\]\: there are bigger palces]W[pk]
;B[sj]
;W[sk]
;B[re]
;W[sd]
;C[Alligato \[2d\]\: T16 can be reserved
TobyM \[2d?\]\: aji-keshi
Nam \[-\]\: what happen with b d1?
Nam \[-\]\: sory e1
Alligato \[2d\]\: e1 c1
TobyM \[2d?\]\: c2 d1 c1 f1 b4 a6 a4 and lives because he has outside liberties
Nam \[-\]\: k \:)
TobyM \[2d?\]\: B needs to play b4 and start a ko if he is to kill
TobyM \[2d?\]\: then d18 starts lots of ko thresats
MiniRock \[14k\]\: well, if white cant make 2 eyes on the center top, this is over, back can connect and kill all the center right no ?
TobyM \[2d?\]\: W can connect at S7]B[sf]
;C[TobyM \[2d?\]\: and W can connect with something like h14 h15 f13
TobyM \[2d?\]\: too hard for black to keep W shut in
TobyM \[2d?\]\: J9 helps reduce the ko problme inthe lower left]W[ik]
;C[petroskyu \[?\]\: how big is f16 - looks big for white?
BGAadmin \[-\]\: white can already connect G17 to the D17 group if needed I think
noirdelir \[2d\]\: about 6 pts?
Alligato \[2d\]\: B4 B12 are bigger
noirdelir \[2d\]\: cause of e18 connexion
sixdaneuro\: f16 is tiny
sixdaneuro\: b4 largest
sixdaneuro\: because of follow ups
sixdaneuro\: if one side gets both b4 and b12 they should win
MiniRock \[14k\]\: white can make a good moove playing N4 if black doesnt respond i guess\; cause then he can try somethink with Q3 Q8 P6and then im sure he can join P6 with N4
sixdaneuro\: y but q3 is gote
sixdaneuro\: white won't just connect with p4
sixdaneuro\: n4 is also a big ko threat so white won't play it
sixdaneuro\: it's just one point if played now
sixdaneuro\: black won't connect with p4 i mean
sixdaneuro\: but I bet most people about 5kyu would play n4 \:)
sixdaneuro\: so it's not a bad spot
Alligato \[2d\]\: why nbot just N4, N5 if b tenuki
TobyM \[2d?\]\: Itis not obvious (to me) how W answers the push and cut startingat L11]B[jl]
;C[MiniRock \[14k\]\: if black respond sure he is ok =)]W[bh]
;B[fd]
;C[Elom \[3k\]\: For some reason, my count keeps giving me b+10~14 points
sixdaneuro\: w just ladders the cutting stones
sixdaneuro\: if l11 push and cut
sixdaneuro\: it ladders down to white lower left
MiniRock \[14k\]\: time can make the difference too no ? i guess now black don't have much again
sixdaneuro\: ladder doesn't work right now but white can always do e8 for indirect defence
sixdaneuro\: it'd hurt b a lot on the left to ignore
BGAadmin \[-\]\: time remaining\: black has 0h22m and white has 1h08m]W[eb]
;C[sixdaneuro\: he spent about 10 years to play k2 earlier]B[es]
;C[sixdaneuro\: so i am not surprised
BGAadmin \[-\]\: so I don't think he will really worry about time too much \:)
sixdaneuro\: if w also gets b4 after this he should win
MiniRock \[14k\]\: yes lol \:(
sixdaneuro\: b12 and b4 for either side is enough
sixdaneuro\: and he already got b12 now
Alligato \[2d\]\: w answer L11 with H11, try to live in the centre or connect to the top
]W[cr]
;C[MiniRock \[14k\]\: oh but black have saved his 3 stones no ? If he play D1 right now ?
sixdaneuro\: yeah but that's small
MiniRock \[14k\]\: but he didint \:p
sixdaneuro\: e1 is a mistake
TobyM \[2d?\]\: too small
sixdaneuro\: y
rodtank11\: no
sixdaneuro\: white can b4 now if he wants it
sixdaneuro\: time feels right
rodtank11\: i dont think it is a mistake
Alligato \[2d\]\: b4 is bigger than D1
sixdaneuro\: y
sixdaneuro\: b4 largest i think
sixdaneuro\: the follow ups are good if b tenuki]B[bi]
;W[bp]
;C[sixdaneuro\: in sente lol
sixdaneuro\: ok w ahead for sure now
Alligato \[2d\]\: should be sente at this stage
MiniRock \[14k\]\: D1 is small for now, but if black connect not sure white can make two eyes in the corner
sixdaneuro\: if it was already sente b should have played it probably]B[an]
;C[sixdaneuro\: he can while he has outside libs
TobyM \[2d?\]\: W plays at C1 and A4 and he has 2 eyes because he has liberites...
RobertT \[-\]\: d1 its only 8 2/3 double gote
Alligato \[2d\]\: classic corner
Alligato \[2d\]\: looks b is still ahead
Nam \[-\]\: s7 for last game?
sixdaneuro\: c13 probably bigger than s7
Nam \[-\]\: like c12
sixdaneuro\: c12 not as good as c13
MiniRock \[14k\]\: well, i have to take the road for 1 hour i guess when i came back they will have played 4 stones each =)
sixdaneuro\: bad shape

Alligato \[2d\]\: I like S7
sixdaneuro\: s7 would be worth if s3 still worked
sixdaneuro\: but without that i think c13 a bit larger
sixdaneuro\: black b14 works at the moment
sixdaneuro\: which means white b12 kinda didn't do much
TobyM \[2d?\]\: S7 is a statement "I have won"
Alligato \[2d\]\: but w is not wining
sixdaneuro\: i don't think he can be sure of that yet \:)
sixdaneuro\: he probably just thought it was bigger
aitkensam \[-\]\: from my last count, b is in the a decent shot this time
aitkensam \[-\]\: as long as byo-yomi doesn't get in his way
sixdaneuro\: it's getting closer
sixdaneuro\: b was doing really well earlier]W[rm]
;C[RobertT \[-\]\: what...
TobyM \[2d?\]\: ???
aitkensam \[-\]\: hard to understand this though \:)
Elom \[3k\]\: This is when dramatic music is cued.
rodtank11\: i like this
BGAadmin \[-\]\: you all make me think I've recorded the wrong move when you make such expressions \:)
Alligato \[2d\]\: b wants F18
TobyM \[2d?\]\: ah.. B e16
BGAadmin \[-\]\: but no, D14 is the move he played \:)
sixdaneuro\: y
rodtank11\: he wants to play F 18
sixdaneuro\: it's also good for b14
sixdaneuro\: good move
aitkensam \[-\]\: f18 is a bit of a dream
sixdaneuro\: but w can just allow him to have e15
rodtank11\: i likes it
sixdaneuro\: it's not the end of the world
aitkensam \[-\]\: exactly six
sixdaneuro\: just b13 now is happy enough
sixdaneuro\: capture e15 is not large with j14 poking towards]B[df]
;C[sixdaneuro\: yep
Alligato \[2d\]\: L11
sixdaneuro\: prepare first
TobyM \[2d?\]\: only chance
RobertT \[-\]\: w gained in d14, b13 exchange
Nam \[-\]\: f18?
sixdaneuro\: h12 possibly
TobyM \[2d?\]\: massively
sixdaneuro\: if black makes white connect l11, that's good for b
sixdaneuro\: something like h12 would allow b to capture e15 on larger scale
sixdaneuro\: b doesn't want to just blindly cut
sixdaneuro\: not without lots of reading anyway
Nam \[-\]\: like c14 b14 f18?
Nam \[-\]\: is it ok?
sixdaneuro\: no
sixdaneuro\: c14 is a wasted ko threat
sixdaneuro\: same reason n4 is bad
rodtank11\: h18?]W[bg]
;C[Alligato \[2d\]\: w can try to connect from E7
sixdaneuro\: yeah i figure somewhere around here
sixdaneuro\: direct cut is too crude
sixdaneuro\: y gotta be careful though
sixdaneuro\: and b rescuing d3 in sente would be large
Alligato \[2d\]\: not good as L11
sixdaneuro\: well here black hopes to capture j13
sixdaneuro\: as well as e15
sixdaneuro\: this might be too greedy though]B[jh]
;C[sixdaneuro\: remember if the cut doesn't work, b is just playing dame
sixdaneuro\: and making w strong
sixdaneuro\: i think just h12 was more modest and fair
sixdaneuro\: we will see though, tricky reading
Alligato \[2d\]\: b ignored many simple moves during this game
TobyM \[2d?\]\: but L11 dioes work, no?]W[jg]
;C[sixdaneuro\: simple is relative \:) c14 and n4 are simple to 5k players]B[ki]
;C[sixdaneuro\: well it cuts, yes
sixdaneuro\: but doesn't necessary achieve much
sixdaneuro\: also w getting e8 from this is big
sixdaneuro\: (ladder breaker)]W[kh]
;C[Alligato \[2d\]\: w?
TobyM \[2d?\]\: E8 not so big after B4/a6
sixdaneuro\: yeah, if he chooses to play it as ladder breaker
sixdaneuro\: it's true but for endgame with d9 it's nice
sixdaneuro\: compared to black e8, quite a few points
Alligato \[2d\]\: E 8 would prevent this b cut
sixdaneuro\: y
sixdaneuro\: ladder breaker
sixdaneuro\: it's weird white takes a long time now
sixdaneuro\: he must read this before he play k13
BGAadmin \[-\]\: white into his last hour of main time now
Alligato \[2d\]\: best for w was simplely connect at L11
RobertT \[-\]\: e8 is gote though...
BGAadmin \[-\]\: black just 7 minutes remaining of his main time
sixdaneuro\: w connect l11 probably loses
sixdaneuro\: b just cuts j13
Alligato \[2d\]\: w can play f14, E14
Nam \[-\]\: b look good
sixdaneuro\: f14 wouldn't work
sixdaneuro\: e14 maybe though
sixdaneuro\: difficult to count
Nam \[-\]\: yup cause b has f18
sixdaneuro\: w has to have read this though
sixdaneuro\: what else could have happened after he plays k13
sixdaneuro\: if he doesn't read this, very irresponsible move
sixdaneuro\: now is not the time to read it \:)
BGAadmin \[-\]\: maybe he's questioning his original reading of it?
sixdaneuro\: lol
sixdaneuro\: you would hope a 5d player could read this
sixdaneuro\: it's just one way, no branching
BGAadmin \[-\]\: a couple of times he's looked like he is about to play a move, but has then gone back to deep thinking again
sixdaneuro\: hmm
BGAadmin \[-\]\: he's taken around 10 minutes on this move so far
sixdaneuro\: he played k13 really quick
sixdaneuro\: that was the time to think
sixdaneuro\: i wonder if he is counting if he can just give up k10 and still win somehow
sixdaneuro\: hard though because upper right now even 100% alive
TobyM \[2d?\]\: W J10, h12... can W connect at g8 or similar?
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: just what i thought, still busy]B[ih]
;C[sixdaneuro\: i think this is best choice locally but it's probably not enough
Nam \[-\]\: hmm?
Alligato \[2d\]\: only move
sixdaneuro\: w still needs another move after b j10]W[kf]
;C[YZ1509 \[4d\]\: andrew should win here
sixdaneuro\: aggressive
sixdaneuro\: b wants everything
BGAadmin \[-\]\: both players just stepping out of the room for a minute
sixdaneuro\: he doesn't think j10 is enough?
sixdaneuro\: this is risky
TobyM \[2d?\]\: f8?
rodtank11\: no he wants to play the best moove
Alligato \[2d\]\: this is better than J10, is it
sixdaneuro\: i'm not convinced
sixdaneuro\: white can try to save the two stones now using h13 push as aji
sixdaneuro\: risky]B[hh]
;C[sixdaneuro\: what
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: a small chance of succes, high risk sounds like an adventure to me
BGAadmin \[-\]\: white now playing from stood-up position
Alligato \[2d\]\: b J10, w H12, b lose 10 points
sixdaneuro\: if b has enough then that's fine alli
sixdaneuro\: m15 really weird though
Alligato \[2d\]\: in china, stand up means resign
BGAadmin \[-\]\: oh!
BGAadmin \[-\]\: well he's not resigned - just to confirm \:)
rodtank11\: if you just answer everything you might lose
sixdaneuro\: you should tell them that lol
sixdaneuro\: m15 really weird, not sure what he's doing]W[le]
;C[sixdaneuro\: thank you move
sixdaneuro\: maybe he try to make black outthink himself]B[me]
;W[kb]
;C[sixdaneuro\: k18...
sixdaneuro\: w just misread?
BGAadmin \[-\]\: yes
sixdaneuro\: lol
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: white has strange reading of semeai
rodtank11\: oh dear
sixdaneuro\: does he looks upset?
BGAadmin \[-\]\: he expressed that it was silly of him \:)
sixdaneuro\: lol
sixdaneuro\: yeah m15 more than a little silly]B[jb]
;W[ib]
;C[Alligato \[2d\]\: secure the capture and victory
sixdaneuro\: y
sixdaneuro\: b just h13 instead of here
hinstock \[?\]\: score estimate from CGoban is B +95, may not be exact
fyn \[4k\]\: they're pretty much the two best british players atm
Alligato \[2d\]\: L16
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: black is 10~15 points ahead
sixdaneuro\: w does need something special
sixdaneuro\: but b made it harder work than it needed to be to win
oasthouse \[-\]\: Going back (since I've just rejoined the game) I would have been tempted to play a6 instead of d8.
rodtank11\: sometime]B[ia]
;W[he]
;B[hf]
;C[sixdaneuro\: what
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: nah d8 4th line territory and additional prospects in the centre with e8, always good
sixdaneuro\: i guess white figures only one chance left
oasthouse \[-\]\: But YZ, imagine now removing D8 and B4 from the board
sixdaneuro\: just h13 now though, it's over?
oasthouse \[-\]\: then w's group would be half dead
]W[hd]
;C[sixdaneuro\: w has a small c hance now
sixdaneuro\: push cut
sixdaneuro\: and pray
BGAadmin \[-\]\: @fyn\: there is some differences, yes
sixdaneuro\: b will hate himself if this works
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: yeah but at that time there wasn't any idea about f3 yet
Alligato \[2d\]\: G13
sixdaneuro\: g13 and white's big group is just dead
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: so the central development would have been entirely different
oasthouse \[-\]\: There was still a floating w group
sixdaneuro\: (assuming you cut after it)
TobyM \[2d?\]\: why not B at h13?]B[if]
;C[sixdaneuro\: w can still live locally
sixdaneuro\: he needs to finish in sente though]W[gf]
;C[sixdaneuro\: he just wants to shortage of liberties the top a little
sixdaneuro\: w lives now
sixdaneuro\: then captures a little at the top
sixdaneuro\: t9 is connected now
sixdaneuro\: so w is fine to live locally
fyn \[4k\]\: white F14, black F8?
sixdaneuro\: if white f14, black n13
sixdaneuro\: and it's over
oasthouse \[-\]\: if w gets g15 then b can makes lots of points in the centre
oasthouse \[-\]\: what does n13 do?
]B[hg]
;C[TobyM \[2d?\]\: f14 then B h18 to gain some more points
sixdaneuro\: f18 for black reduces a bit]W[gm]
;C[sixdaneuro\: b is in byo yomi?
BGAadmin \[-\]\: not quite
BGAadmin \[-\]\: 20 seconds remaining
sixdaneuro\: capture at d1 will soon be quite large
sixdaneuro\: almost time to play it]B[hl]
;C[fyn \[4k\]\: connecting there is sente for black, right?
rodtank11\: d1
fyn \[4k\]\: assuming white has no eye in the center
sixdaneuro\: only if w can't make an eye outside
BGAadmin \[-\]\: black now in first period of overtime
fyn \[4k\]\: right, thanks
sixdaneuro\: if b replies again now in centre, white takes d1
sixdaneuro\: and is happy with trade
sixdaneuro\: but b could go all in here]W[fk]
;C[sixdaneuro\: and force w to try to make the eye
BGAadmin \[-\]\: white has 40 minutes of main time remaining]B[gj]
;W[gp]
;C[sixdaneuro\: nice aji with h5
TobyM \[2d?\]\: D1 is now reverse sente]B[hp]
;C[sixdaneuro\: h7 looks tasty]W[hm]
;C[sixdaneuro\: yep
sixdaneuro\: oh dear
sixdaneuro\: h5]B[im]
;W[ld]
;B[kd]
;C[sixdaneuro\: w short on time?
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: desperationbot goes banana
fyn \[4k\]\: er, h5 h6, then what?
Alligato \[2d\]\: P15]W[mc]
;B[mb]
;C[sixdaneuro\: g5 connects, fyn]W[ff]
;C[rodtank11\: white played quite fast
sixdaneuro\: g18
fyn \[4k\]\: h5 h6 g5 j5 (atari)
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: white knows he is lost, he tries to provoke black now in making a move without thought
sixdaneuro\: then f4
TobyM \[2d?\]\: P15???
Alligato \[2d\]\: no not P15
fyn \[4k\]\: then f4 f6, and I'm not sure what it gets white
sixdaneuro\: then d1
sixdaneuro\: reduction
fyn \[4k\]\: ah right
petroskyu \[?\]\: p15 for black? don't understand
sixdaneuro\: i think he typo
fyn \[4k\]\: I thought when you said connect you meant it could connect to k3
fyn \[4k\]\: I do see it reduces a bit ^^
sixdaneuro\: oh \:) well it can if b plays it wrong
sixdaneuro\: and he's in byo yomi
sixdaneuro\: who knows
BGAadmin \[-\]\: 10 stones/10 minutes is hardly blitz though is it? \:)
sixdaneuro\: look at k2]B[hb]
;C[fyn \[4k\]\: andrew simons is notorious for playing badly in byoyomi though
fyn \[4k\]\: pretty much regardless of how much time per stone, iirc
petroskyu \[?\]\: why not g18?]W[fb]
;C[fyn \[4k\]\: don't know them personally, no
rodtank11\: i think andrew simon is good at boyomi
sixdaneuro\: if g18 then black f19 white g19 black f18 white f17 black h16]B[mg]
;C[sixdaneuro\: but white can just let b connect f19 and take sente]W[nh]
;B[ds]
;W[cs]
;C[petroskyu \[?\]\: n12 better than o12?]B[fs]
;C[Alligato \[2d\]\: 1 was thinking N11
oasthouse \[-\]\: If g18 then b can f18]W[hn]
;C[BGAadmin \[-\]\: black counting out another 10 stones]B[ho]
;W[fn]
;B[go]
;C[fyn \[4k\]\: black wondering if he can play e8, maybe?
rodtank11\: i hope he just answer h9
oasthouse \[-\]\: Just g9
oasthouse \[-\]\: Keep it simple. Don't let your time run down]W[gl]
;C[fyn \[4k\]\: heh.
rodtank11\: i new it
oasthouse \[-\]\: ... or not]B[el]
;W[ap]
;B[fl]
;W[fm]
;C[oasthouse \[-\]\: Oh man
fyn \[4k\]\: well, it worked out for him
oasthouse \[-\]\: B is very far ahead now
rodtank11\: yeah but sometime he tende to make a mistake]B[gk]
;C[BGAadmin \[-\]\: don't we all \:)
sixdaneuro\: what is this
oasthouse \[-\]\: just answer. don't let your time run down
oasthouse \[-\]\: h9
BGAadmin \[-\]\: 5 minutes remaining in this period
sixdaneuro\: h9
oasthouse \[-\]\: no problem at all
BGAadmin \[-\]\: with 6 stones left to play
sixdaneuro\: h9 puts the two stones in atari...
oasthouse \[-\]\: Really nothing to think about for this move
Neamtujose \[4k\]\: wath moth
BGAadmin \[-\]\: he's worried of white playing J5 by the looks of it
sixdaneuro\: just capture
sixdaneuro\: at j10
sixdaneuro\: this is over]W[il]
;C[fyn \[4k\]\: f4 is even sente now
rodtank11\: oh dear]B[iq]
;W[hk]
;B[ij]
;W[mp]
;B[mo]
;W[pq]
;B[eg]
;W[op]
;C[sixdaneuro\: he is enough ahead that it doesn't matter though
sixdaneuro\: but not really stylish
sixdaneuro\: should be able to read that
sixdaneuro\: bga admin do you also play go, or just official?
oasthouse \[-\]\: j5 was nothing]B[no]
;W[fg]
;C[BGAadmin \[-\]\: counting a 3rd set of 10 stones
sixdaneuro\: w not going to resign? \:P
oasthouse \[-\]\: Anyway b still ahead a lot]B[fh]
;W[ch]
;C[fyn \[4k\]\: 13 points is what I get]B[dh]
;C[sixdaneuro\: b+15
rodtank11\: he is not going to answer?
sixdaneuro\: he might just resign]W[qm]
;C[sixdaneuro\: it's over, no way to get even 5 points back now
sixdaneuro\: never mind 15]B[pl]
;C[toad \[9k\]\: SE puts B+83.5 and that's never wrong \:-)]W[ne]
;B[hj]
;C[sixdaneuro\: f4 sente for ko
t3suji \[2d\]\: but then, not like w would connect...
sixdaneuro\: I mean if b f4 now lol
sixdaneuro\: sente for ko]W[hl]
;B[ef]
;C[t3suji \[2d\]\: sure, but it's also not like w will play there even if w had a spare move?
sixdaneuro\: well b can leave it for a ko threat if he likes i suppose \:)
short2016 \[1k\]\: w wont connet f4, so no much sente]W[fe]
;B[fp]
;C[sixdaneuro\: not surprised
sixdaneuro\: simplifies position
sixdaneuro\: b enough ahead]W[ar]
;B[oi]
;W[oj]
;B[cf]
;W[bf]
;B[cg]
;W[ai]
;B[ah]
;C[sixdaneuro\: lol
rodtank11\: oh no
sixdaneuro\: b wants ko?]W[ag]
;C[Malingo \[3d\]\: no ko
rodtank11\: TT
sixdaneuro\: he must have counted ko threats if he wants this hahaha
oasthouse \[-\]\: w can't cut
BGAadmin \[-\]\: counting 4th set of 10 stones
sixdaneuro\: white can't cut b10?
oasthouse \[-\]\: I don't think so
badak \[-\]\: should be around b+25]B[aj]
;C[sixdaneuro\: ah yes, of course
sixdaneuro\: b+15ish i think
oasthouse \[-\]\: but now a5 is a trap
t3suji \[2d\]\: but now b can't play a5 \:)
sixdaneuro\: a5 is white's sente anyway
sixdaneuro\: follow up larger for w
oasthouse \[-\]\: yes
sixdaneuro\: not sure why w still playing
]W[be]
;C[fyn \[4k\]\: eh, it's okay to want to see the final result]B[ls]
;W[bj]
;C[badak \[-\]\: ah yeah i miscounted. around b+18
oasthouse \[-\]\: I'm very impressed with b's play in this game]B[ah]
;C[sixdaneuro\: b overcomplicated things
sixdaneuro\: it should have been simpler]W[sh]
;B[sg]
;C[sixdaneuro\: but held together nicely
short2016 \[1k\]\: just a9
sixdaneuro\: yeah
]W[ai]
;B[mh]
;W[mi]
;C[sixdaneuro\: m15 losing move probably
sixdaneuro\: difficult to come back after that]B[ah]
;W[si]
;B[ri]
;C[sixdaneuro\: lost a good 10 points at the top]W[ai]
;B[ak]
;W[bk]
;B[ah]
;C[fyn \[4k\]\: ah.
short2016 \[1k\]\: waste ko threats]W[kk]
;B[km]
;C[mogoyo\: antes muerta que sencilla
petroskyu \[?\]\: translation please
YoungPro \[-\]\: easy win for b
sixdaneuro\: "i'd rather be dead than boring"
mogoyo\: better dead than simple
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: yes after l18 fluke, it was resigntime
Elom \[3k\]\: I counted b + 10~14 earlier on, I hope my bad counting is not correct.
fishyfish \[6k\]\: why do people count when there is se
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: yes i had 14.5 before, didn't change much since then
GodofGo \[6d\]\: b can just c10 and still win
oasthouse \[-\]\: a8
hinstock \[?\]\: yes but did black count before starting this ko
fishyfish \[6k\]\: why do people even count when there is se
GodofGo \[6d\]\: if he keeps continuing it could get bad for b
short2016 \[1k\]\: a8, man
Elom \[3k\]\: sensei would know best.

]W[ai]
;C[GodofGo \[6d\]\: ...
BGAadmin \[-\]\: counting another 10 stones for black
]B[al]
;C[GodofGo \[6d\]\: d10
]W[dj]
;B[di]
;C[Werfeus \[5d\]\: this is still fine for b
GodofGo \[6d\]\: b will still win if just c10
sixdaneuro\: b still wins this anyway
oasthouse \[-\]\: a7 no prob]W[bl]
;C[sixdaneuro\: just c10 if connect
sixdaneuro\: easy
Elom \[3k\]\: White playing for the sake of hard grit & fighting spirit
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: always hit ko first
rodtank11\: TT]B[ah]
;W[kl]
;B[ii]
;C[short2016 \[1k\]\: a7]W[ai]
;C[GodofGo \[6d\]\: whoa]B[am]
;C[Werfeus \[5d\]\: gotta c8 escape here
GodofGo \[6d\]\: yeah
sixdaneuro\: y
fyn \[4k\]\: or just take @ A12
sixdaneuro\: no
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: b6 will do
GodofGo \[6d\]\: no b6 e9]W[ao]
;C[sixdaneuro\: !
fyn \[4k\]\: second move I predict correctly
short2016 \[1k\]\: c8 works for b]B[ah]
;C[GodofGo \[6d\]\: but b is safe and i think he knows]W[jj]
;B[ji]
;C[
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: white runs out of kodate
oasthouse \[-\]\: just c8
sixdaneuro\: b short on time
sixdaneuro\: taking a while
TheClapton \[3d?\]\: b can just c8, lead is big enough
sixdaneuro\: yeah
BGAadmin \[-\]\: black has 6 mins remaining
BGAadmin \[-\]\: 4 stones to play
]W[ai]
;C[hinstock \[?\]\: atlast
sixdaneuro\: double ko
sixdaneuro\: all fine]B[cl]
;C[short2016 \[1k\]\: finish now
rodtank11\: i will kill b if he come home
rodtank11\: TT
Elom \[3k\]\: b + ~9.5 p ?
fyn \[4k\]\: more]W[ga]
;B[ha]
;C[TheClapton \[3d?\]\: scoring tool says 18]W[gb]
;B[de]
;C[sixdaneuro\: block]W[oa]
;C[rodtank11\: oh dear
BGAadmin \[-\]\: counting another 10 stones for black
fyn \[4k\]\: I get B+17
badak \[-\]\: scrap estimator about right
BGAadmin \[-\]\: white has 23 mins remaining
oasthouse \[-\]\: this is a threat
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: 23 minutes of being the uk-champion?
oasthouse \[-\]\: b can g16, g13, c16
BGAadmin \[-\]\: plus byo-yomi \:)
short2016 \[1k\]\: o19
oasthouse \[-\]\: sorry, I'm talking nonsense
TheClapton \[3d?\]\: UK champ beaten by KGS 2d]B[ah]
;C[Elom \[3k\]\: b + 16.5, I count now \:P
]W[na]
;B[ma]
;W[ms]
;B[ks]
;W[gg]
;B[gh]
;W[gd]
;C[fyn \[4k\]\: andrew simons has beaten dinerchtein and that south african 7d]B[ai]
;W[bn]
;B[cd]
;W[cc]
;C[Nam \[-\]\: m14
]B[bo]
;W[la]
;B[ja]
;W[lf]
;B[ka]
;W[lg]
;C[fyn \[4k\]\: btw, the site for the british go congress is really well made]B[lb]
;W[jf]
;C[BGAadmin \[-\]\: counting 10 more stones for black
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: darn one point of in my prediction]B[bn]
;W[nf]
;B[mc]
;C[fyn \[4k\]\: props to whoever coded it]W[hc]
;B[ke]
;W[tt]
;C[fyn \[4k\]\: basically a historical game -- first time the champion isn't kay since what, 2008?]B[tt]
;C[BGAadmin \[-\]\: players have passed
BGAadmin \[-\]\: now counting
oasthouse \[-\]\: Congratulations Andrew S.
oasthouse \[-\]\: Well done to both players
rodtank11\: it was a nice game
BGAadmin \[-\]\: both players have said that they're probably going to come to the British Go Congress in Sheffield - so come along to meet them there maybe? http\://bgc2016.sheffieldgoclub.org.uk/
TobyM \[2d?\]\: What is final margin?
BGAadmin \[-\]\: B wins by 15.5
Elom \[3k\]\: Congratulations to Andrew
YZ1509 \[4d\]\: thx for the relay Matt
fyn \[4k\]\: congratulations to simons!
Elom \[3k\]\: both players, I mean, for good game.
oasthouse \[-\]\: Yes, good game.
oasthouse \[-\]\: Thanks to hosts and relayers too
Elom \[3k\]\: Congratulations to Simons for Championship!
BGAadmin \[-\]\: so yes, Andrew Simons wins the British Championship 2015 by 2 games to 1
hinstock \[?\]\: thanks to Andrew(s) and the organisers]W[tt]
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