(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[10800]OT[10/600 Canadian]
GN[BGA Championship 2015 - game 2]PW[Andrew Simons]PB[Andrew Kay]WR[4d]BR[4d]DT[2015-12-12]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[BGATeach [-\]: Good Morning All. Matthew Macfadyen here (British Champion 1978 to 2010 with a few gaps)
BGATeach [-\]: I will be chatting about the game, and discussing options in this window
BGATeach [-\]: So. This is game 2 of a 3 game match. 
BGATeach [-\]: Lets call the players Black and White, since 'Andrew' is not helpful
Javaness [2d\]: Good Morning
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;B[pp]
;W[dd]
;B[dp]
;W[qd]
;B[od]C[BGATeach [-\]: OK here we go
BGATeach [-\]: No funny moves yet.
BGATeach [-\]: Both these players study new opening ideas a lot. But the real game doesnt start till the players are on their own in an unfamiliar sitution
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;W[mc]C[BGATeach [-\]: Time limits are 3 hours, so there is plenty now to spend time on breathing exercises and achieving a calm mental state
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;B[qc]C[Javaness [2d\]: which variation of the joseki will we see now
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;W[qg]
;B[pd]
;W[rd]C[BGATeach [-\]: soon we will see, they are using the 21st century joseki book
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;B[ob]C[BGATeach [-\]: Black p18 is important here. now he has s17 or l17 to settle himself properly
BGATeach [-\]: White will want to invade the lower side later, probably twice, so it is important for him to be solidly alive with the r13 group
Rottamies [1d\]: why think so long about this joseki
BGATeach [-\]: That implies play s17 now
BGATeach [-\]: Thinking is not about this joseki, but bout which direction to play in 5 moves time
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;W[jc]
;B[rc]
;W[qj]
;B[cf]C[Rottamies [1d\]: f16 only move
BGATeach [-\]: White decides to be very patient. 
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;W[fd]C[BGATeach [-\]: Not necessarily F16, White can D10, and use the solidity of k17
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;B[cc]
;W[cd]
;B[bd]C[Rottamies [1d\]: ok
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;W[dc]
;B[bb]
;W[cb]
;B[bc]
;W[fq]C[BGATeach [-\]: Black now has all 4 corners, and White played low at r13 and k17. so White is playing a long game - he doesnt have the corners and cant surround the centre easily.
Rottamies [1d\]: so b ahead
Rottamies [1d\]: ?
BGATeach [-\]: Rather say Blacks story is easier to tell
Javaness [2d\]: black likes J4
Nyanjilla [-\]: "when one player has four corners, black should resign"
BGATeach [-\]: Yes, J4 is one option. There has been a lot of research in the last 20 years or so
Nyanjilla [-\]: ...but not sure when that no longer applies
nonosse [2k?\]: w center power is quite limited. For example if he wants to preserve some points on the upper side...
BGATeach [-\]: Probably the top side will be left for 100 moves. The remaining stuff there is: Black can reduce at j16 or j15, or invade at g16. 
BGATeach [-\]: White has O17 or O18, bot of which query the eyeshape of the corner.
pippo: g16 could be annoying imo, since w d16 is not alive...
Blitzcore [2k\]: top much smaller than it looks? open skirt at both sides
BGATeach [-\]: And the endgame move at D18 is worth 11 oints immediately, plus Blacks eyeshape is affected
nonosse [2k?\]: open at both sides?
Rottamies [1d\]: c6 best move
Blitzcore [2k\]: good yose for b at both sides
Rottamies [1d\]: protect corner and win gg
pippo: may I ask if getting strong on left side and then invade h17 like could be a good plan for b?
nonosse [2k?\]: bottom is real open now, looking more urgent to play
BGATeach [-\]: C6 does not really make a satisfactory left side. And it leaves Q4 alone. I agree with javaness, he will play j4 after much agonising
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;B[hq]C[Nyanjilla [-\]: close
Rottamies [1d\]: 4 corners would have been automatic win
Rottamies [1d\]: just kidding
BGATeach [-\]: So you wanted Black to play e2?
nonosse [2k?\]: i dont see J4 often since years, looks like none like it
pippo: h3 is having a bad time too, due to j4
BGATeach [-\]: I like playing h4 here with White.
pippo: I, mean, b got more 4 line stones than w...
BGATeach [-\]: Pippo, yes. White started with a lot of 3rd line stones, so the centre is hard to grab
pippo: sorry, so isn't better to dive into corner and get the terrtory balance even again?
pippo: (let me know if I'm flooding)
Rottamies [1d\]: taking corner is gote ;E
BGATeach [-\]: No, its good to knoew people are alive when the game is being slow.
pippo: :-))
BGATeach [-\]: Whites danger in grabbibg territory is that black may suddenly play K16 and Q12 and get a takemiya style centre
BGATeach [-\]: The great master of playing low and solid was kitani minoru, but he could read his invasions 50 moves ahead and was very hard to kill when he invaded
ranyee [3k\]: sounds like f3 was not a good choice?
nonosse [2k?\]: there always be too few slow games to watch here
BGATeach [-\]: White also has D6 to consider. Try this line:
TobyM [1d?\]: you mentioned the bad aji in the top R if W palyed at O18 or O17... could you elucidate please?
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(;W[cq]C[pippo: this looks good! help against b invasion on top as well
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;B[dq]C[Rottamies [1d\]: WHY NOT PLAY FASTER AND SAVE TIME FOR FIGHTING
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;W[cp]
;B[do]
;W[dr]
;B[er]
;W[cr]C[pippo: d6 I meant
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;B[eq]
;W[cn]C[BGATeach [-\]: Hes gone for the simple line
Nyanjilla [-\]: calm down, Rottamies
CageyS [?\]: I know that Andrew Kay is a good fighter/reader - is Andrew S simply more balanced?
pippo: he is leechangho-ising this game
Javaness [2d\]: how about R6 now
Rottamies [1d\]: r8 best
lxlx [-\]: w plays very calm
BGATeach [-\]: Andrew S is definitely weaker at the part later on when the game is finally decided
Rottamies [1d\]: r8 more severe on w group
BGATeach [-\]: Kay is worse than I used to be at starting implausible fights
Rottamies [1d\]: r8 only move r8 only move r8 only move r8 only move
BGATeach [-\]: It would be possible for the endgame to start immediately. Black would be well advised to try really hard to count the game now
pippo: yose at 35... this is getting exciting!
Rottamies [1d\]: boring game with no fighting
nonosse [2k?\]: r8 can be overextended looking difficult move to me r8 or r7? hard choice
BGATeach [-\]: Incredibly hard work. I never had the stamina to count oints for 6 hours
pippo: still think that h17 should be a matter of honor
Javaness [2d\]: shouldn't they be playing something more exciting in the final?
Rottamies [1d\]: r8 or r6
Rottamies [1d\]: r7 useless
Rottamies [1d\]: my opinion XD
nonosse [2k?\]: why useless?
Rottamies [1d\]: r8 best
Rottamies [1d\]: doesnt threaten w and doesnt secure corner
BGATeach [-\]: r8 doesnt make territory
TobyM [1d?\]: R8 does not really put pressure on the W grou at the top... so R6 best?
Rottamies [1d\]: r8 at least threatens w
bert [?\]: n3
nonosse [2k?\]: r8 can be involved in a pretty counterattack, w doesnt look so weak on the side
pippo: to me b should not bother to develop q4 since j4 q2-like combo is unavoidable
Rottamies [1d\]: b has like r12 which is annoying
BGATeach [-\]: Note that white k3 threatens f2, so it is quite easy for White to settle a group on the lower side
BGATeach [-\]: If the game goes quiet at the bottom, the n18/o18 endgame point is huge, so sente is very important
nonosse [2k?\]: can w play direct on bottom like N3 or O3?
ranyee [3k\]: there is a move
BGATeach [-\]: Blck cant make territory in one move at the bottom
lxlx [-\]: Black should choose his favorite move on the lower side.
BGATeach [-\]: Actually if Black wants th bottom, better start at the top and make a diversion
pippo: what about h17 instead?
BGATeach [-\]: h17 should just die
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(;B[qn]
;W[pr]
;B[qq]
;W[mq]
;B[kq]C[BGATeach [-\]: This is the game
ranyee [3k\]: is l3 good?
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;W[qr]C[pippo: o2
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(;B[rr]C[BGATeach [-\]: L3 more or less defends against f2, and forces White to say how he will settle
BGATeach [-\]: Expect p4 now
pippo: why not o2 for b?
pippo: instead of s2
BGATeach [-\]: Doesnt work well after r2
BGATeach [-\]: Black o2 only steals about 5 points, so it has to be a genuine attack to be worthwhile
pippo: amybe if w right side was weaker it could have been an option? so that the running battle will have affected it?
BGATeach [-\]: White f2 is bad aji for black, but not quite yet..
ranyee [3k\]: what w should do now?
nonosse [2k?\]: game getting messy suddenly
BGATeach [-\]: Nothing messy if White lives honestly with p4
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(;W[oq]C[BGATeach [-\]: P3 looks weird
BGATeach [-\]: Black can attack the eyeshape with good endgame moves
BGATeach [-\]: This is only a move if White thinks he has a good follow up at s4
Nyanjilla [-\]: and does he?
BGATeach [-\]: Not yet
ranyee [3k\]: ( ive got sad with this move
ranyee [3k\]: ( dont see such things as s4
BGATeach [-\]: s4 is the subject of a whole chapter of handicap go. Those of us who give 9 stone handicaps every thursday are looking to play there almost every game
Blitzbold [3d?\]: ... assumed we have q8 and that ladder ^^
BGATeach [-\]: I feel p3 is too slow. Black c8 now leaves White just a bit stretched
Blitzbold [3d?\]: *r8
BGATeach [-\]: r8 is very honest. but if he wants to play hereabouts probably m2 is best
Blitzbold [3d?\]: i meant s4 "needs" r8... referring to your classic-hamete comment before ^^
BGATeach [-\]: Yes, if White can make p3 sente, and then get o18, the endgame is looking much rosier for him
BGATeach [-\]: Black q13 looks good timing just now
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(;B[mo]C[BGATeach [-\]: A fancy move
nonosse [2k?\]: i would be afraid to be ajikeshi with Q13
nonosse [2k?\]: but i get it would be good time now
BGATeach [-\]: Black has no real ambition to invade r13, so better just slow it down a bit
BGATeach [-\]: In this game so far, both players treat the centre as unimportant
Blitzbold [3d?\]: yep game very low as a whole - i hate these games :)
BGATeach [-\]: Me too, counting points is such hard work
Nyanjilla [-\]: much simpler to kill something big....
BGATeach [-\]: Yes indeed. Those emplty points are all small, theyre only wrth half as much to surround
nonosse [2k?\]: can b resist w pushing in and cut here?
BGATeach [-\]: You mean p4?
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(;W[no]C[nonosse [2k?\]:  imean q5 r5 q6 after last sequence
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(;B[nn]
;W[oo]C[Nyanjilla [-\]: ^_^
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(;B[on]C[BGATeach [-\]: OK this is the game
nonosse [2k?\]: yes here
BGATeach [-\]: N6 looks obvious, but
nonosse [2k?\]: just pushing in and cutting doesnt look bad for w or i miss something?
ranyee [3k\]: ))
BGATeach [-\]: There is a way...
nonosse [2k?\]: what s wrong with direct Q5 instead of Q6 for w?
BGATeach [-\]: Yes, that does force Black to take the first variation
BGATeach [-\]: Blacks big problem in this fight is he has no attack on r13, so thickness is not much good if White gets the corner
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(;W[po]
;B[qo]C[nonosse [2k?\]: so in some way here can we say that b is overplaying a bit in this blockade?
BGATeach [-\]: White shouldnt be thinking now, he did the thinking last move
DarthSanta [4k\]: second thoughts?
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;W[kr]C[BGATeach [-\]: Ah i see it. White had to do s4 first before q5. Now s4 gets r4 and theres no continuation
BGATeach [-\]: Black has left bad aji with the cut at q6, so White can live fast and get an ok result. 
BGATeach [-\]: IMO n5 has not been a success
Blitzbold [3d?\]: yes - n5 looked strange from beginning
BGATeach [-\]: Indeed. Just when White had made his first mistake
BGATeach [-\]: Black wants to take the money at m2 now, but it costs in the centre
Blitzbold [3d?\]: for some kind of local result b might allow w to live in sente here - which is bad also?
BGATeach [-\]: Probably Blacks only way is k3
BGATeach [-\]: If Black had an attack on r13, then an exchange byplaying r8 now michr be ok, but White k3 is a real threat to play f2 so thats no good
BGATeach [-\]: If Black K3 then White is completely alive, and can consider c12 ( whoch makes D18 bigger)
BGATeach [-\]: Or if really thinking yose White D18, hoping that makes c12 or c13 sente
BGATeach [-\]: Long think
BGATeach [-\]: Black has realised that K3 leaves White alive in sente
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(;B[lr]
(;W[lq]
;B[jr]
;W[kp]
;B[jq]C[BGATeach [-\]: So Black N4 feinted for the centre and got the endgame move on the side
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;W[pn]C[BGATeach [-\]: After all not so bad for Black
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;B[pm]
;W[mn]C[BGATeach [-\]: I dont agree with Whites move order. Black will play r8, and then q6,q7 might become a bad exchange
naver [3d?\]: what's better
BGATeach [-\]: The art of reading these things is to read right through the fight, see the final shapes, and then look for exchanges you would and wouldnt like to add
oasthouse [-\]: That's useful advice
BGATeach [-\]: Here Blak m5 is clearly silly, so White will get to catch the n5 stone, so q6, m3, l4 are all unnecessary
BGATeach [-\]: r8 looks honest, but n7 kills n5 in sente
BGATeach [-\]: so maybe q6 was ok after all
BGATeach [-\]: If White is alive here with centre thickness then the komi looks very big
oasthouse [-\]: I can't see a good move for B
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(;B[ql]C[BGATeach [-\]: Looks like Black has to start a completely new subject for discussion
BGATeach [-\]: Now n7 is good for White, and Black has to find something
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;W[mm]
;B[nl]C[pippo: so we should expect b asking if dinerstein is a real pro? (sorry for the bad joke)
oasthouse [-\]: But as you say, it's W who has sente to start the new subject
BGATeach [-\]: He shouldnt have. O8 is worthless given that n5 is already dead
BGATeach [-\]: The big moves for white are d18, o18 and c12
oasthouse [-\]: Maybe B didn't see the net at k6?
oasthouse [-\]: I'd vote for C12
BGATeach [-\]: He should have seen it during that 20 minute think
oasthouse [-\]: Not that I get a vote, but anyway
BGATeach [-\]: D18 is tight, stops h17 from even starting, and makes c12 sente.
K5 [5k?\]: I like c12. c7 looks slow, but strong players keep playing it
BGATeach [-\]: but it also aims at the more forceful c13 instead of c12
K5 [5k?\]: Then d18 will likely get a reply around c11/12?
BGATeach [-\]: Yes, and then White O18 tidies the game up
K5 [5k?\]: In retrospect, do you think M2 was a mistake?
BGATeach [-\]: Yes. I think Blak was better playing k3 and waiting
TobyM [1d?\]: surely the mistake was O8?
BGATeach [-\]: but earlier, I didnt like n5 at all. just play m2 then white lacks eyes
BGATeach [-\]: White c7 here is an interesting idea. Makes f2 possible and stops black doing anything on the left side
BGATeach [-\]: But f2 is ambitious with Black having sente moves around j5 threatening m5
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;W[ml]C[oasthouse [-\]: oh
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;B[nk]C[BGATeach [-\]: OK he thinks centre thickness is worth  move
Bombadil [6k\]: white wants sente here ?
oasthouse [-\]: Is it?
TobyM [1d?\]: does it creeate bad aji around R13?
BGATeach [-\]: Maybe Whitethinks n15 now will join up the centre and give r13 an insurance policy
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;W[qe]C[BGATeach [-\]: Que?
pippo: !
BGATeach [-\]: If that group needed a mov, why not the 20 point one at s9?
Bombadil [6k\]: how does he come up with that empty triangle 
pippo: s9 twenty points? eally?
pippo: I count it usualyy a 12
BGATeach [-\]: I expect he was reading what happened if Black s12, White r12, and got his thinking into a loop
BGATeach [-\]: Three ways to defend the right side:
BGATeach [-\]: Play s9, the big endgame move with the follow up (s7)
BGATeach [-\]: Play o18, loads of points and takes away Black corner group eyes, so moves around p14 become sente
BGATeach [-\]: Play n15, helping the top side
pippo: maybe he strongly aims at somenthing sente on top-right and thought t16 senteish for b was a problem?
BGATeach [-\]: White r15 probably makes t17 sente for white, so a yose gain of 4 points
BGATeach [-\]: And it means he can answer s12 at q11
Bombadil [6k\]: dunno, at this stage t17 is defenitely gote
BGATeach [-\]: Yes Bombadil, but the statistics are now in Whitesnfavour. We expect a time when sente is worth about 4 points and it will become sente
BGATeach [-\]: same idea as s1 is statistically Whites right to play
Bombadil [6k\]: i see, but does that mean for example that s9 would be better than r15 or not ?
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;B[gd]C[BGATeach [-\]: OK here we go, just in time for lunch
BGATeach [-\]: Sealed move time. Whitw has two main options:
BGATeach [-\]: Back in  an  hour. Im going for a bite of lunch
DarthSanta [4k\]: enjoy
Gotika [3d\]: it's both 4 pro dan?
gogonuts [4d\]: it's not great either, but maybe g15 h16 f17 h15 g14 h14 g13 
gogonuts [4d\]: g17 is just so depressing forw, pardon the pun
gogonuts [4d\]: and if b gets a nice result in sente and then gets c8, w really wont be happy
BGATeach [-\]: Hi all. I'm back from lunch but the players are still eating
DarthSanta [4k\]: tut tut
DarthSanta [4k\]: that means they'll be sleepy for the next hour
BGATeach [-\]: how do people feel about the game? Who would rather be White in this position?
pippo: w seem's slightly ahead pointwise
BGATeach [-\]: And 7 points komi.
pippo: but g16 could be really hurting
pippo: so here I would rather be the commentator
pippo: than any of the player
BGATeach [-\]: Sorry, I got logged out half way through a comment
BGATeach [-\]: Black can insist on a fight this way:
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(;W[gc]
;B[hc]C[BGATeach [-\]: This is the game. They are playing the sensible line
gogonuts [4d\]: w g18 looks too poor to contemplate - really has to cut
BGATeach [-\]: If White is afraid of the fight after h16, J16 he can play h18 here
gogonuts [4d\]: if w h18, can b possibly play f15?
BGATeach [-\]: Sorry about  the maverick line which appeared just after lunch. I dont know where it came from, but not the game
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(;W[hd]C[BGATeach [-\]: F15 gets H16 in your line Gogo, nothing breaks
gogonuts [4d\]: I'm just trying to get sente for c8, without leaving too much trash at the top
BGATeach [-\]: Of course White can still play H18 after Blak J16. Then expect a big ko
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(;B[id]
;W[ge]
;B[ic]C[vava [3d\]: i always thought this kind of shape was just inacceptable for hite
BGATeach [-\]: OK now we know that Black is really too thin to profit from this line, but he is making a fight of the game
gogonuts [4d\]: a little more maneuvering, then 150 moves of endgame :-)
BGATeach [-\]: Didnt I say that R15 at N15 would be more natural?
gogonuts [4d\]: to quote werfeus oh r15: ahahahahaha r15
BGATeach [-\]: This aint endgame baby
gogonuts [4d\]: I expect endgame to start in 20 moves - no one is really in trouble here
vava [3d\]: apart from the 2 groups with no eyes at the top :d
gogonuts [4d\]: and they will take care of that now
BGATeach [-\]: White O18 raisesa few questions
gogonuts [4d\]: play n15 now?
gogonuts [4d\]: still needed, it seems
BGATeach [-\]: White N15 is normal
gogonuts [4d\]: if they find this, endgame will be postponed :-)
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(;W[kd]C[gogonuts [4d\]: thats slow
gogonuts [4d\]: fits well with r15 :-)
BGATeach [-\]: Andrew S has looked for the simplest way all through this game
BGATeach [-\]: So far he has done OK
DarthSanta [4k\]: is that the best strategy when playing AndrewK?
gogonuts [4d\]: i think way back, b would have been better with O6 at n6
BGATeach [-\]: Andrew K is a bit low on patience. N5 was a good example of him trying too hard
DarthSanta [4k\]: *takes notes..... if ever....*
gogonuts [4d\]: when b built that useless wall on the right and w captured n5 without another move, w was ahead
Blitzbold [3d?\]: not a real strategy to play things like r15 and hopr for strange moves like n5...
gogonuts [4d\]: until r15 :-)
BGATeach [-\]: Yes gog, I thought that must be his plan. But it still implied that thickness in the centre was going to be big.
gogonuts [4d\]: i wonder what alternatives to J14 b is contemplating
Blitzbold [3d?\]: i am wondering if b has a secret "plan d" for n5 aji...
BGATeach [-\]: I rather expect AK will try G18 then H15, and aim for some attack on the D16 group
Blitzbold [3d?\]: hm... just a "7" missing in AK4...
BGATeach [-\]: Lie this:
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(;B[hf]C[BGATeach [-\]: This is the game
gogonuts [4d\]: avoiding h14 atari :-)
BGATeach [-\]: White O18 is still nice
gogonuts [4d\]: can b answer o18 at o15?
BGATeach [-\]: Yes, and lose his eyes
BGATeach [-\]: H14 is odd. Now Black cant hope to get an answer to H15, cos taking H16 off is small with H14 already played
BGATeach [-\]: White can just ignore and get on with the endgame at C12 or C13
BGATeach [-\]: Tempting to cut here
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(;W[kf]C[Muttley [2k\]: so few points ...
BGATeach [-\]: A calm move. Black will have to connect his stones out (they have no eyes). And C14  or D5 are both far away
Muttley [2k\]: w needs komi here?
BGATeach [-\]: Lets try to count
Werfeus [5d\]: 7,5 komi with japanese rules?
BGATeach [-\]: Black lower right 12, lower side 14, top left 10, top right 10 makes 46
BGATeach [-\]: White lower left12, bottom 15, right 10, top left 10, top 5, komi 7 makes 59
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;B[gb]C[BGATeach [-\]: So, No white doesnt need komi, and Black needs to find 10 extra points on the left side
Muttley [2k\]: hmm, I don't have w ahead
DarthSanta [4k\]: don't use SE
Werfeus [5d\]: i have about 33 for b, 36 for w
BGATeach [-\]: White has good sente moves at s(, o18, F5, C13. Black has no thinness toexploit
BGATeach [-\]: Here White might H15 before playing F18
BGATeach [-\]: Or possibly cut and shut black in.....
BGATeach [-\]: Black cant live cleanly at the top, so try this idea..
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(;W[he]
;B[ie]
;W[if]C[BGATeach [-\]: Hes gone for the cut
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;B[jf]
;W[ig]
;B[ke]
;W[le]
;B[je]
;W[jg]C[BGATeach [-\]: Now the H14 stone is nearly dead, so Black cant try to attack for a bit
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;B[ld]C[BGATeach [-\]: This was the line I thought let Black live a bit easily
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;W[me]C[BGATeach [-\]: Maybe White can use O17 sente to gain momentum?
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(;B[kg]
;W[lf]C[Alligato [2d\]: is  O17 absolutely sente?
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;B[kc]C[BGATeach [-\]: No, O17 is only sente to kill the cornr by Ko
Alligato [2d\]: could you show the way
BGATeach [-\]: Lets just check the simple line:
Alligato [2d\]: how about M5
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(;W[md]C[BGATeach [-\]: What have I missed?
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;B[jd]C[Alligato [2d\]: w missed
BGATeach [-\]: M5 only kills 4 stones. W can play N2, O2 to live
BGATeach [-\]: Now we wonder if White E18 is a threat both ways
Alligato [2d\]: I mean for the missed ko fight
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;W[kh]C[BGATeach [-\]: Yes A
Alligato [2d\]: leftside now?
BGATeach [-\]: Yes, Black had better play around D10. Hard to choose a point
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;B[cl]C[BGATeach [-\]: I am still unsure about this sequence at the top:
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(;W[dn]C[Alligato [2d\]: I see
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;B[ci]C[BGATeach [-\]: Now White F2 certainly cant be killed
BGATeach [-\]: If White F18, Black has to be careful
BGATeach [-\]: Time to recount:
Alligato [2d\]: b look ok now
BGATeach [-\]: Black top right 6, lower right 12, bottom 8, top4, left 16 total 46
TimHunt [?\]: Hard to count white in the middle.
BGATeach [-\]: White lower left 9, bottom 15, top left 12, komi 7, total 43 plus the right centre
Alligato [2d\]: leave the middle, w has 30
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(;W[cg]C[BGATeach [-\]: Looks very good for White
TimHunt [?\]: The position, or the last move?
Alligato [2d\]: I guess the score
BGATeach [-\]: IMO White could take F18, S9, F2 all in sente then play D11 and take a few in the centre for an easy game
BGATeach [-\]: But hes gone for the maximum
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;B[dg]C[Alligato [2d\]: w can win without fighting here
BGATeach [-\]: Asolutely
Alligato [2d\]: this will reduced the potential in the middle
BGATeach [-\]: Here he had better crosscut.
]
;W[fb]C[BGATeach [-\]: Ah good, at least he has played the big sente move
DarthSanta [4k\]: :)
vava [3d\]: but he would play c10 instead of a12 in your last sequence
Alligato [2d\]: B14, B15?
]
(;B[ch]C[Alligato [2d\]: wow
BGATeach [-\]: Now I expect White O18 to kill something
DarthSanta [4k\]: all of a sudden, I like b
TimHunt [?\]: If B is sure he was being on territory, then this is a way to try to turn it around.
DarthSanta [4k\]: being = behind?
BGATeach [-\]: Yes, and Hope AS cocks up the life and death at the top
SIkachnak [?\]: b top is still a ko
BGATeach [-\]: Yes, but White has loads of ko threats lile F2 which are also OK yose moves
TimHunt [?\]: But then there is the psychology after the last game, when AS lost through a series of kos.
]
(;W[fo]C[BGATeach [-\]: F5 s a serious underplay, but he can still win by surrounding the centre
]
;B[en]
;W[eo]C[BGATeach [-\]: Here is AK's best part of the game. He can create confusion out of nothing - and it is not necessarily bad even to make confusion by leaving your own groups in atari
DarthSanta [4k\]: 0.0
]
;B[fr]C[BGATeach [-\]: Now White has an easy ladder at E7, or a tempting proper move at D8
Alligato [2d\]: w shoud play O18
BGATeach [-\]: I guess AK has found a laddr breaker around J7 which also threatens to escape N5
Alligato [2d\]: f2 should be w
Pakhan [3d\]: direct threat is b d7
Alligato [2d\]: don't understand w
Alligato [2d\]: w started here without a plan?
Pakhan [3d\]: g6 d7 b7?
BGATeach [-\]: yes missing F2 was odd, and now hes tempted to start a horrible fight. Should be fine if he keeps calm, but that is hard when you know the game belongs to you
]
;W[dl]
;B[fn]
;W[gn]
;B[gm]C[nonosse [2k?\]: got time for a rest, i m back
nonosse [2k?\]: still going on that s wonderful
BGATeach [-\]: Among Blacks problems, even if he gets M5, White N4 threatens to live, so nothing happens
]
;W[ho]C[BGATeach [-\]: What can Black do??
Alligato [2d\]: E8
Alligato [2d\]: B6
BGATeach [-\]: E8 then H7 takes lots of centre
]
;B[el]
;W[dk]C[BGATeach [-\]: E6 looks a lot weaker than E5 in this fight
]
;B[hn]
;W[go]C[BGATeach [-\]: Expect something fancy around L5
BGATeach [-\]: My reading of the N3 group is that if N5 escapes completely, then n2, o2 lives with all except the 4 stones at P5
Alligato [2d\]: this group is weak, but b ahs to paly C9 
BGATeach [-\]: but if White can fill the n4 liberty in sente then all is alive
]
;B[hm]
;W[io]C[BGATeach [-\]: Hard to imagine a way for Black to cut. But AK will try
Shinichi56 [-\]: (who's bgateach please?)
BGATeach [-\]: Notice that B7 is sente for Black, so C9 is not as big as it looks
BGATeach [-\]: There is this line:
]
(;B[bm]C[BGATeach [-\]: This is the game
]
;W[bn]C[hinstock [?\]: BGATeach (today) is Matthew MacFadyen
Pakhan [3d\]: aka rubberduck
BGATeach [-\]: There is still White O18 at the top, which seems to give some sort of Ko against one Black group or the other
BGATeach [-\]: But first Black must save his G7 group
nonosse [2k?\]: b b9 or tenuki?
BGATeach [-\]: No way B9. If Black is cheeky he can try s9 and see if White misses a killing attack on H7
Pakhan [3d\]: first glance e10 and l7 for black
]
;B[gk]C[Alligato [2d\]: b can win now
]
;W[gq]
;B[gr]C[Slaboumov [6k\]: e9 ?
Pakhan [3d\]: e6 and e7 stones are small now to capture
Slaboumov [6k\]: why? group still under attack, isn't it?
BGATeach [-\]: Yes group still very weak. White would be wise to play K7 and tidy up the bad aji in that area.
BGATeach [-\]: s9 is becoming urgent
Alligato [2d\]: can't belive b had the left side and centre
BGATeach [-\]: O18 is terminal if followed correctly
]
;W[jm]C[Alligato [2d\]: looks w didn't see the clear path
Alligato [2d\]: w has to kill one of the top group 
]
;B[ik]C[Alligato [2d\]: centre is not eough now
BGATeach [-\]: W now has 20 points at the bottom. Black can try P14 to have an escape from O18
BGATeach [-\]: The Black group is still unsafe
Slaboumov [6k\]: but o9 c11 help him )
Alligato [2d\]: safe now, 
]
;W[lb]C[Alligato [2d\]: with E7 or anywhere in the centre
BGATeach [-\]: Yes, White can play E9 to reduce eyes and cut off, but E7 then threatens a counter cut
]
;B[kb]C[BGATeach [-\]: M18 cant be best unless he now likks the corner
Pakhan [3d\]: to likk ...hmmm
]
;W[rk]C[Alligato [2d\]: game over
]
;B[rl]C[Alligato [2d\]: S9 is not life threatening
Alligato [2d\]: is it?
nonosse [2k?\]: it s big in points already
nonosse [2k?\]: big dif in sente
]
;W[pk]C[Alligato [2d\]: still a close game
petroskyu [?\]: is white h18 black m17 white j18 black k18 a jose sequence in which black is just alive but white gains 4 points?
]
;B[qk]
;W[pj]
;B[nm]
;W[hb]
;B[ib]C[BGATeach [-\]: pausing for a quick tea break. Chat among yourselves for 10 minutes
]
;W[ga]C[SIscurge [5d\]: b may die
]
;B[lc]
;W[nb]
;B[oc]
;W[sc]
;B[sb]
;W[sd]
;B[qb]C[Pakhan [3d\]: won't die
Pakhan [3d\]: but feels enough for a white win
]
;W[rj]
;B[mr]
;W[nr]
;B[jp]
;W[jo]C[SIkachnak [?\]: w+10
SIkachnak [?\]: at least
Alligato [2d\]: about 45 each
Bombadil [6k\]: is n9 sente ?
petroskyu [?\]: no
]
;B[pf]
;W[qf]C[petroskyu [?\]: o13?
]
;B[nf]
;W[mh]
;B[li]
;W[lh]C[Pakhan [3d\]: what is for teatime?
]
;B[an]
;W[bo]C[DarthSanta [4k\]: cucumber sandwiches, of course
]
;B[rs]
;W[hp]
;B[hr]
;W[ek]
;B[fl]
;W[em]
;B[fm]
;W[ck]
;B[bk]
;W[gh]
;B[fj]C[SIscurge [5d\]: b may still die :P
]
;W[eh]C[Pakhan [3d\]: yeah when you fight for the points 
Alligato [2d\]: what is w doing
humblelife [-\]: trying to make more center i think
Pakhan [3d\]: white intend to seal c15 d14 e13 and leave d7 for ko?
]
;B[dm]C[Alligato [2d\]: thai is a lot to ask
Pakhan [3d\]: escape over c10 and d11 while ko is easy enough
]
;W[cm]C[Alligato [2d\]: C15, D18
]
;B[bl]
;W[di]
;B[gi]C[BGATeach [-\]: back aain. Since I left 10 mins ago, AS is in byoyomi
]
;W[ce]C[BGATeach [-\]: The Black centre group is still looking flaky
BGATeach [-\]: Black has stolen th endgame point at N2
]
;B[be]
;W[df]
;B[bg]C[BGATeach [-\]: but White still has more points.
]
;W[eg]C[Alligato [2d\]: so w is winning
BGATeach [-\]: As I count it White doesnts need komi
Alligato [2d\]: 48 each
]
;B[hh]
;W[hg]
;B[ef]C[BGATeach [-\]: White can answer this at F11
Alligato [2d\]: then b, G13, K12, and go back to D15
]
;W[hi]C[BGATeach [-\]: I dont see how White can lose from here. Maybe if he answers C5 at A4 instead of B4?
BGATeach [-\]: Good move, shows some attitude
toad [9k\]: he could lose on time
]
;B[fh]C[Alligato [2d\]: here
]
;W[gg]C[Alligato [2d\]: E11 simple
BGATeach [-\]: some chnce for a big ko gight?
]
;B[ei]C[BGATeach [-\]: Now if White D12?
BGATeach [-\]: Remember White still has E7, so he can calmly play F13
Alligato [2d\]: b take and then take C18
BGATeach [-\]: Best is probably D12 but that will involve fighting ko
]
;W[fg]C[Alligato [2d\]: b can play H10 first, then take D14 and C18, will that be enough
]
;B[dh]
;W[fi]C[Alligato [2d\]: ths give b a chance
BGATeach [-\]: Not much chance.
Alligato [2d\]: center loss is big
TobyM [1d?\]: Thjere are sequences where B loses his stones in the centre!
]
;B[ej]C[TimHunt [?\]: My count is B has 50 if the centre lives with 2 points.
TimHunt [?\]: And the white stones are not captured.
]
;W[gj]C[TimHunt [?\]: Oh, which they are now.
BGATeach [-\]: Notice that D15 and D18 are miai
Alligato [2d\]: assume w had enough
]
;B[hj]
;W[em]C[TobyM [1d?\]: what is aji in lower L corner? B A4 W A5 B A2?
Alligato [2d\]: had b played H10 first
BGATeach [-\]: AK is determined to fight as many kos as possible. I tworked last time
]
;B[gi]C[BGATeach [-\]: Toby, that aji doesnt work while there are outside liberties. Then maybe seki
]
;W[ii]C[TobyM [1d?\]: Thanks
]
;B[dm]
;W[rq]
;B[rp]
;W[em]C[BGATeach [-\]: White a7 is a good ko threat
TobyM [1d?\]: M4 looks big?
Alligato [2d\]: D18
]
;B[ko]
;W[lp]
;B[dm]
;W[ms]C[TimHunt [?\]: Is B10 a ko threat for W?
TobyM [1d?\]: it loses points
hinstock [?\]: so did S3
BGATeach [-\]: s3 was ok, he can play q3 as another ko threat
hinstock [?\]: OK.  I meant it devalued T8?
BGATeach [-\]: White can play D15 as a gote ko threat, threatening D18 to get both miai
alexrix [?\]: Will he answer q3?
BGATeach [-\]: Ah ye, he did lose the sente at t8, quite right
]
;B[em]C[BGATeach [-\]: AK is counting here. He will realise that M1 is sente
]
;W[ls]
;B[co]C[BGATeach [-\]: B4 is correct here, but Black will live in sente with E1
]
;W[bp]
;B[fp]
;W[gp]C[TimHunt [?\]: I still want W B10 to be a tesuji.
BGATeach [-\]: So White should have used his A7 ko threat, then B4 could be A4 and White gains a move\\
TimHunt [?\]: Capture A6 or smoething.
BGATeach [-\]: B10 aims at an ishi no shita shape, but all no good after D9 dead
TimHunt [?\]: OK. Thanks. I should be able to read that.
]
;B[js]C[BGATeach [-\]: Weird, why not live at E1 threatening the corner with a 2 step ko
]
;W[db]C[DarthSanta [4k\]: didn't see it?
BGATeach [-\]: Next Q13 is big for both
]
;B[ds]
;W[br]C[TimHunt [?\]: I still think W is ahead on territory.
]
;B[de]
;W[pq]
;B[qp]C[BGATeach [-\]: Yes if he plays q13 now
]
;W[kk]C[Alligato [2d\]: b 56 w 53
]
;B[mk]
;W[lk]
;B[jl]
;W[kl]
;B[im]
;W[jn]
;B[mi]
;W[ni]
;B[nj]
;W[am]
;B[al]
;W[og]
;B[oi]C[BGATeach [-\]: P13 loses points, yose is tight. Play Q13
BGATeach [-\]: now p14 is quite big
]
;W[nh]
;B[oj]
;W[of]
;B[ne]C[BGATeach [-\]: getting closer
]
;W[bj]
;B[cj]C[BGATeach [-\]: p14 at p15 was a bit bigger
]
;W[ee]
;B[df]
;W[ff]
;B[ph]
;W[qh]
;B[ks]
;W[jk]
;B[il]C[BGATeach [-\]: b19 was over 3 points, e4 was 3
]
;W[ba]
;B[ep]
;W[ao]
;B[dj]C[nonosse [2k?\]: how much is j10?
Fluxor [?\]: 2
BGATeach [-\]: q8 is over 2 points
morbidus: 1.25 my guess (reverse sente, so 2.5?)
]
;W[ol]
;B[op]
;W[np]
;B[pl]
;W[ok]C[petroskyu [?\]: q13 worth? 2pts?
]
;B[om]C[TimHunt [?\]: T8 is 3 points.
BGATeach [-\]: more because b runs out of liberties
]
;W[sl]
;B[sm]
;W[sk]
;B[qi]
;W[ri]
;B[pi]C[BGATeach [-\]: g10 ko is getting big
]
;W[pg]
;B[mg]
;W[lg]
;B[ij]
;W[ki]
;B[ji]
;W[gj]
;B[jj]C[BGATeach [-\]: r1 is now sente for w
BGATeach [-\]: but first play s7,s6
]
;W[kj]
;B[mj]
;W[gi]
;B[jh]
;W[ih]
;B[ia]
;W[rm]
;B[sn]C[petroskyu [?\]: what time is on the clocks?
TobyM [1d?\]: ask BGA admin
DarthSanta [4k\]: white in byoyomi for some time
BGATeach [-\]: white in byo yomi, black has a litte left i think
]
;W[ha]
;B[la]
;W[mb]
;B[qs]C[nonosse [2k?\]: m2?
]
;W[ps]
;B[qm]
;W[lr]
;B[pe]
;W[cs]
;B[es]
;W[am]
;B[fk]
;W[ip]
;B[iq]
;W[ma]
;B[ka]
;W[oa]
;B[pa]
;W[ab]
;B[ac]
;W[ca]
;B[an]
;W[na]
;B[am]
;W[aa]
;B[nd]
;W[ng]
;B[mf]
;W[oh]
;B[nc]
;W[oe]
;B[lj]
;W[km]
;B[in]
C[BGATeach [-\]: looks like 3.5 to white? Ill get the official count
BGATeach [-\]: 2.5 points, exactly the same margin as game 1
])
(;B[jp]
;W[jo]
;B[ko]
;W[lp]
;B[kn]
;W[jm]
;B[km]
;W[kl]
;B[ll]
;W[jl]C[Slaboumov [6k\]: they play so fast? )
]
;B[lm]
;W[lk]
;B[mk]
;W[lo]C[mkei [8k\]: this is a vaiation
BGATeach [-\]: but nothing comes of it
BGATeach [-\]: That was an example
]))
(;W[jb]
;B[kb]
;W[lb]
;B[ib]
;W[ga]
;B[lc]
;W[nb]C[BGATeach [-\]: Yes. this is tricky to nail down for White
]))
(;B[jb]
;W[bf]
;B[ce]
;W[ch]
;B[dh]
;W[be]
;B[df]
;W[bi]
;B[bg]
;W[bh]
;B[ag]
;W[ah]
;B[bj]
;W[af]
;B[dj]
;W[db]
;B[ba]
;W[ab]
;B[ad]
;W[ca]
;B[aj]
;W[aa]
;B[ag]C[BGATeach [-\]: This fight may be OK for White, but reall he has no business doing this kind of thing
]))
(;W[fb]
(;B[ha]
;W[jb]
;B[kb]
;W[ib]
;B[ja]
;W[nb]
;B[oc]
;W[lc]
;B[lb]
;W[la]
;B[mb]C[Alligato [2d\]: F18 is big for both
]
;W[ma]
;B[nc]
;W[kd]C[BGATeach [-\]: This is horrid for Black
])
(;B[jb]C[BGATeach [-\]: Black better answer F18 at K18
])))
(;W[nb]
;B[oc]
;W[jb]
;B[kb]
(;W[ja])
(;W[fb]
;B[lc]
;W[pb]
;B[oa]
;W[rb]
;B[sb]
;W[qb]
;B[pc]C[BGATeach [-\]: So far I find nothing decisive, but I am suspicious of the Black shape
])))
(;W[kb]C[Alligato [2d\]: end?
BlackHole [2k\]: w strong
BGATeach [-\]: So ths move seems to be a ko, White will drop the lower left corner (35 points) and get the top (35 points) but have sente and be absolutely thick in the centre
]
;B[jd]
;W[jb]
;B[md]
;W[nd]
(;B[nc]
;W[lc]
(;B[ne]
;W[kd])
(;B[kd]
;W[ne]
;B[ib]
;W[ia]
;B[hb]
;W[fb]C[BGATeach [-\]: Unplayable ko for Black
]))
(;B[ne]
;W[nc]
;B[lg]
;W[mf]
;B[nf]C[BGATeach [-\]: No ladder
])))
(;B[kc]
;W[nc]
;B[oc]
;W[kb]
;B[jd]
;W[jb]))
(;W[he]
;B[ie]
;W[if]
;B[jf]
;W[ig]
;B[ke]
;W[jg]
;B[je]
(;W[le]
;B[lf]
;W[kg]
;B[ld]
;W[me]
;B[kc]
;W[md]
;B[jd]
;W[jb]
;B[kb]
;W[nb]C[BGATeach [-\]: Not good enough.
])
(;W[me]
;B[lf]
;W[kg]
;B[le]
;W[md]
;B[mf]
;W[ne]
;B[og]
;W[oe]
;B[pe]
;W[ng]
;B[nf]
;W[of]
;B[pf]
;W[pg]
;B[oh]
;W[nh]
;B[oi]
;W[ib]
;B[hb]
;W[jb]C[BGATeach [-\]: Just the sort of think AK loves. A bad idea
]))
(;W[cg]
;B[ce]C[BGATeach [-\]: proper
]
;W[eg]
;B[eb]
;W[db]
;B[fc]
;W[he]
;B[ie]
;W[bf]
;B[be]
;W[bh]C[BGATeach [-\]: Black has to find an answer to the eyes problem and also to the left side problem
]))
(;W[nb]
;B[ne]
;W[oc]
;B[pc]
;W[nc]
;B[oa]
;W[lf]C[BGATeach [-\]: Now White has an extra group to attack
gogonuts [4d\]: next k14?
BGATeach [-\]: and M18 is not so severe
gogonuts [4d\]: L16 certainly wasnt the safe move it was meant to be
gogonuts [4d\]: many harsh variations here
BGATeach [-\]: L16 was weedy. He should either go for the Black eyes and the yose with O18 or run properly with N15.
])
(;W[he]
;B[ie]
;W[if]
;B[jf]
;W[ig]
;B[ke]
;W[le]
;B[lf]
;W[me]C[BGATeach [-\]: White is in no tuble, but this feels a bit modest
]))
(;B[gb]C[gogonuts [4d\]: that looks bad to me, when w h14
]
;W[fb]
;B[he]
(;W[gd]
;B[ke]
;W[le]
;B[jb]
;W[kb]
;B[jd]
;W[kc]
;B[hf]
;W[kf]
;B[ff]
;W[hb]
;B[ib]
;W[ga]
;B[je]
;W[lg]
;B[mf]
;W[lf]
;B[cl]
;W[cm]
;B[dl]C[gogonuts [4d\]: try w h14 instead of connecting
])
(;W[hf]
;B[gd]C[gogonuts [4d\]: thats true
]
;W[fc]
;B[gf]
;W[hd]
;B[ie]C[gogonuts [4d\]: d14?
BGATeach [-\]: Still looks like White has stuff to do
])))
(;W[me]
;B[if]
;W[nb]
;B[nc]
;W[nd]
;B[oc]
;W[ih]
;B[kc]
;W[jb]
;B[jd]
;W[kb]
;B[hg]C[gogonuts [4d\]: J12 is a good idea here
]
;W[cg]C[BGATeach [-\]: Something like this?
]))
(;B[id]
;W[hb]
;B[he]
;W[ic]
;B[gb]
;W[hd]
;B[co]
;W[bo]
;B[hc]
;W[fc]
;B[ib]
;W[hd]
;B[bp]C[gogonuts [4d\]: the other cut?
gogonuts [4d\]: needs one more threat
BGATeach [-\]: Could be interestig  for Black
gogonuts [4d\]: b played your variation
BGATeach [-\]: Black still has P4
gogonuts [4d\]: selling g16
]))
(;W[hb]
(;B[gb]
;W[fc]
;B[ib]
;W[hd]
;B[ic]
;W[id]
;B[ha]
;W[jb]
;B[fb]
;W[eb]
;B[fa]
;W[ja]
;B[ia]
;W[ge]C[gogonuts [4d\]: looks bad for b
BGATeach [-\]: Not wonderful for Black
])
(;B[hd]
;W[fb]
;B[fe]
;W[ee]
;B[ld]
;W[lc]
;B[jd]C[gogonuts [4d\]: also soso
BGATeach [-\]: Not a very impressive Black centre
]))
(;W[hd]
;B[id]
;W[ge]
;B[ic]C[BGATeach [-\]: This gives Black something to do
]))
(;W[fe]
;B[id]
;W[jd]
(;B[ig]C[BGATeach [-\]: And White has gone for the long fight method.
gogonuts [4d\]: has this been played?
BGATeach [-\]: J13 looks awfully thin
gogonuts [4d\]: on the other board w played differently :-)
BGATeach [-\]: I dont see how Black answers G17
BGATeach [-\]: Times remaining. White 1 hour 26, black 1 42
BGATeach [-\]: IMO J13 should be j14. Now White is strongly out at f15 Black must prevent a connection at the top
gogonuts [4d\]: again, is this the real position?
gogonuts [4d\]: looks different on the other board
BGATeach [-\]: Yes, this is the game
gogonuts [4d\]: thx
BGATeach [-\]: J13 looks like finger slipped. Ill check whether it was BGAAdmins finger
gogonuts [4d\]: so what is BGAadmin doing?
]
;W[gc]
(;B[hc]
;W[ge]C[BGATeach [-\]: Sorry all. this is not the game
]
;B[ie]
;W[hb])
(;B[ic]
;W[ie]
;B[he]
;W[ib])
(;B[hd]
;W[hb]))
(;B[if]C[BGATeach [-\]: This is Whites big scale option, doesnt look suitable
]))
(;W[gc]
;B[hc]
;W[hd]
(;B[ge]
(;W[hb]
;B[fc]
;W[gb]C[BGATeach [-\]: Simplest - White gets pushed down a bit
])
(;W[fe]
;B[ic]C[BGATeach [-\]: Hairy fight options start hereabouts
])
(;W[he]C[gogonuts [4d\]: f17 g18 g14 f18 c8 ?
BGATeach [-\]: Yes indeed. That is the standard idea, but the left side is not proper territory
BGATeach [-\]: The players are back in place
]
;B[fc]
;W[gb]
;B[gf]
;W[fb]C[BGATeach [-\]: Propr shape for both. My choice for White, but lets see what happens.
]))
(;B[id]
;W[ge]
;B[ic]C[gogonuts [4d\]: b preferable imo, despite strandetd n5
]
;W[nb]C[Javaness [2d\]: Do you happen to know what they ate for lunch? It could influence the upcoming fight.
pippo: all in all I think b can do a lot of good things in the next 20 moves... but not sure if that will be enough to prevent w comeback in yose
gogonuts [4d\]: was preferyble :-)
]
;B[me]
;W[ke]C[gogonuts [4d\]: not saving g16 cant be right
BGATeach [-\]: Black may be able to create some chaos with something along these lines
BGATeach [-\]: O yes it can. If Black saves G16 the game gets simple
])))
(;B[lo]
;W[qm]
;B[ol]
;W[rp]
;B[qp]
;W[rm]
;B[ql]
;W[rl]
;B[rs]
;W[mm]
;B[nl]
;W[lp]C[BGATeach [-\]: Maybe Andrew K is thinking of trying m5 anyway. . .
BGATeach [-\]: But this looks hopeless
])
(;B[ql]
;W[mm]
;B[nl]
;W[ch]
;B[lo]
;W[jn]C[BGATeach [-\]: No way out
]))
(;W[mn]
;B[ql]
;W[lo]
;B[cl]
;W[jr]
;B[lq]
;W[iq]
;B[ip]
(;W[hr])
(;W[jq]
;B[jp]
;W[hr]C[BGATeach [-\]: M3 is dubious timing. Black will have to let the n5 stone go anyway...
])))
(;B[lr]
;W[mn]
(;B[lq]
;W[pn]
;B[pm]
;W[qm]
;B[ql]
;W[rm]
;B[rl]
;W[pl]C[BGATeach [-\]: Ladder - Black cant play this way
])
(;B[pn]
;W[lq]
;B[jr]
;W[kp]
;B[jq]
;W[ln]C[BGATeach [-\]: White is out with attitude
])))
(;W[mn]
;B[mp]
;W[np]
;B[ln]
;W[mm]
;B[ol]C[BGATeach [-\]: This would be typicak Andrew K
BGATeach [-\]: horribly thin but hard to kill
])
(;W[rp]
;B[rq]
;W[pn]
(;B[pm]
;W[po]
;B[qo]
;W[qm]
;B[ql]
;W[rm]
;B[rl]
;W[rn]
;B[qp]
;W[pl]
;B[om]
;W[ro]C[BGATeach [-\]: Dont think Black can fight this
])
(;B[po]
;W[pm]
;B[mn]
;W[qm]
;B[rn]
;W[kr]C[BGATeach [-\]: Not very exciting for Black
])))
(;B[pm]
;W[mn]
;B[lo]
;W[om]C[BGATeach [-\]: I wonder what plan Black has for o5?
]))
(;B[np]
;W[op]
;B[oo]
;W[nn]
;B[mp]C[TobyM [1d?\]: do you mean O6?
]
;W[po]
;B[qo]
;W[on]
(;B[nr])
(;B[nq]C[BGATeach [-\]: No, this line
]))
(;B[mn]
;W[kr]
;B[lr]
;W[lq]
;B[jr]
;W[kp]
;B[ks]
;W[jq]
;B[kr]
;W[oo]C[ranyee [3k\]: your play style is much different from their, they both play very close to each other
BGATeach [-\]: This shows a bit of attitude, get omething to attack
]))
(;W[op]C[BGATeach [-\]: If White here
]
;B[on]
;W[lp]
;B[jo]
;W[lo]
;B[em]C[BGATeach [-\]: Hopeless for White, still not alive and Black gets the money
]))
(;B[lr]C[ranyee [3k\]: w thinks he is far ahead?
]
;W[mr]
;B[np]
;W[kp]C[BGATeach [-\]: Now White will have to burn up his precious aji to live
])
(;B[cj]
;W[rp]
;B[ro]
;W[rq]
;B[sr]C[Nyanjilla [-\]: hehehe
]
;W[qp]
;B[pq]
;W[po]
;B[op]
;W[qo]
;B[or]C[BGATeach [-\]: Nothing special
])
(;B[pg]
(;W[qh]
;B[cl]C[BGATeach [-\]: This makes White invade the left, and maybe Blacks top side invasion will wake up
])
(;W[ph]
;B[qf]
;W[pf]
;B[og]
;W[rf]
;B[qh]
;W[rg]
;B[pi]C[ranyee [3k\]: theres continuation in the game
BGATeach [-\]: Black thick in the centre 
])))
(;W[fr]
;B[fs]
;W[gs]
;B[es]
;W[gq]
;B[hr]
;W[gr]
;B[dn]
;W[cm]
;B[go]C[BGATeach [-\]: White cant be this blunt
])
(;W[lq]
;B[kp]
;W[fr]
;B[fs]
;W[ir]
;B[jr]
;W[iq]C[BGATeach [-\]: Something like this would make Black sweat a bit - but first White has to live with q2
])
(;W[op]
;B[oo]
;W[pq]
;B[qp]
;W[np]
;B[mb]C[nonosse [2k?\]: a sorry i was lost in the variations
nonosse [2k?\]: :)
BGATeach [-\]: White  may be trying to count this game, an see if he can find enough points
]))
(;B[nr]
;W[nq]
;B[or]
;W[oq]
;B[mr]
;W[pq]
;B[qp]
;W[jq]C[pippo: m3
BGATeach [-\]: Black has worries on both sides
]))
(;B[qn]
(;W[nc]
;B[oq]
;W[oc]
;B[pc]
;W[nb]
;B[oa]
;W[sc]
;B[sb]
;W[ra]
;B[qa]
;W[qb]C[BGATeach [-\]: Back to the aji at the top:
BGATeach [-\]: Black doesnt have proper eyespace in the corner here
])
(;W[nb]C[TobyM [1d?\]: OK thanks\]
]
;B[oq]
;W[oa]
;B[pb]
;W[oc]C[BGATeach [-\]: This is better endgame for White. It is a matter of correct timimg
]))
(;B[em]
;W[cm]
;B[qk]
;W[rk]
;B[rl]
;W[rj]
;B[pk]
;W[nq]
;B[or]C[Rottamies [1d\]: nice way to strengthen w
]
;W[kp]C[BGATeach [-\]: He could try like this:
BGATeach [-\]: But white should live easily
pippo: live or run?
])
(;B[gd]
(;W[gc]
;B[hc]
;W[hd]
;B[ge]
;W[he]
;B[fc]
;W[gb]
;B[gf]
;W[hb]
;B[cl]C[pippo: this was my plan! :-)
BGATeach [-\]: Now if White invades the left, maybe Black can buy enough stones to develop the bottom
])
(;W[fe]
;B[id]
;W[jd]
;B[if]C[BGATeach [-\]: This way the territory goes out of balance. Too hard for White
]))
(;B[hc]
;W[id]
;B[hd]
;W[he]
;B[jb]
;W[kb]
;B[eb]
;W[db]
;B[gd]
;W[ge]
;B[fc]
;W[fe]
;B[gb]
;W[cg]
;B[ce]
;W[dg]C[BGATeach [-\]: Might just live, but Blacks game gets very stretched
pippo: I see, g16 better
BGATeach [-\]: Much better for Black to play r6, which adds Black territory while reducing white, instead of stealing 10 points and losing eyeshape in the top left
]))
(;W[hp]
;B[ip]
;W[ho]
;B[iq]
;W[eo]
;B[cn]
;W[lp]C[BGATeach [-\]: Something like this
])
(;W[cq]
;B[dq]
;W[cp]
;B[do]
;W[dr]
;B[er]
;W[cr]
;B[eq]
;W[cn]C[Rottamies [1d\]: looked nice
Rottamies [1d\]: better than this
BGATeach [-\]: This is normal, but c14 looks very well placed, a bit easy for Black
])
(;W[fo]
;B[dn]
;W[ip]C[pippo: uhm... but sicne w don't have center influence was your sequence appropriate?
BGATeach [-\]: This would be a centre oriented way
])
(;W[dn]
;B[fp]
;W[cp]C[pippo: w will always have the j4 shoulder hit to contrast any takemiya's ideas of b
]
;B[eq]
;W[cq]
;B[qn]
;W[cg]C[BGATeach [-\]: This would be one way, get the corner and fight on the left side
]))
