(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[gGo:1.0]ST[1]GN[European Pair Go Championships, round 1, Lisa Ente + Benjamin Teuber (DE 5d) vs Jenny Radcliffe + Alex Selby (UK unofficial 3k)]
SZ[19]KM[6.5]
PW[epgc1]WR[6d]PB[epgc1]BR[6d]DT[2005-04-23]PC[IGS-PandaNet]
C[Observing game 337 (epgc1 vs. epgc1) :
            Its NR           jansteen 5d*            top123 1d*   
Found 3 observers.
StPatrick [3k\]: Are we allowed to cheer for the teams?
jansteen [5d*\]: you have any preferences? :)
StPatrick [3k\]: well the UK one has my friends in it ;-)
epgc1: Players are still not even in the room.
StPatrick [3k\]: I met you at the London tournament Jansteen - we played a rengo at new years ;-)
jansteen [5d*\]: why is it Go players are always late? :)
Ariel74 [5k*\]: hello, does anyone know anything about the players?
Ariel74 [5k*\]: are the professionals?
B4yuCh4n [9k*\]: halo any one can tell me " which is the black one?"
StPatrick [3k\]: amateurs i'm afraid ;-)
StPatrick [3k\]: alex selby is a 3d with some interesting history
StPatrick [3k\]: jenny is about 10k
Ariel74 [5k*\]: 3d amateur?
epgc1: Jenny and Alex one of the unoffical UK pairs - Alex is 3D but Jenny is quite weak, so should be interesting against the strong Germans.
Ariel74 [5k*\]: 10k????
StPatrick [3k\]: maybe 9kyu
Basti [2d*\]: why you write Benjamin Teuber 5d? In Germany he plays as 6d
Ariel74 [5k*\]: ummmm disappointing
StPatrick [3k\]: he has a 4d partner
Ariel74 [5k*\]: and jenny's partner?
Basti [2d*\]: ah it's their combined rating
Basti [2d*\]: thought she was 3d...
epgc1: Players just entering the room
StPatrick [3k\]: yay
epgc1: Jenny and Alex are here, waiting for the Germans.
epgc1: They are complaining that their opponents get a flag and they don't.
Bagl [20k\]: =)
StPatrick [3k\]: lol
Harleqin [NR\]: how come?
Ariel74 [5k*\]: so which player from the first pair will play which player from the second pair?
Ariel74 [5k*\]: or do they take turns to make moves?
epgc1: Pair go is one game, players take turns.
Ariel74 [5k*\]: that would be interesting
epgc1: It goes Black lady, White lady, Black man, White man.
epgc1: And no conferring!
StPatrick [3k\]: not even a little conferring?
epgc1: Benjamin has just arrived, and left again!
Ariel74 [5k*\]: so I suppose this feature makes up for their low strength
Ariel74 [5k*\]: and makes the game interesting in its own way:-)
epgc1: It was created both as a way to get more women playing, but also as a very good learning tool for the weaker players.
Observing game 337 (epgc1 vs. epgc1) :
            Its NR           jansteen 5d*         StPatrick 3k    
        soandso 10k*            Basti 2d*              Bagl 20k   
          gonzo 3d*          B4yuCh4n 9k*         SpaceLord 22k   
        Ariel74 5k*            retesz 11k*         GOTintin 11k*  
        joachim 1d*         guest3888 NR           Harleqin NR    
       marzipan 3d*   
Found 16 observers.
Ariel74 [5k*\]: never seen it where I grew up
epgc1: The germans have just arrived.
Ariel74 [5k*\]: is benjamin going to fetch a flag for their opponents?
StPatrick [3k\]: only official teams get flags
epgc1: Just agreed the order]
;B[qd]
;W[dp]
;B[pp]
;W[dd]
;B[od]
;W[nq]
;B[qn]C[Ariel74 [5k*\]: lightning fast they play:-)
StPatrick [3k\]: too fast]
;W[jp]C[epgc1: Its 45min sudden death]
;B[cj]C[Ariel74 [5k*\]: you mean only 45 min for each side and no komi?]
;W[cg]C[Ariel74 [5k*\]: no byo]
;B[cn]
;W[cl]C[epgc1: yes]
;B[en]
;W[el]
;B[fp]
;W[bp]C[epgc1: alex playing to connect under?]
;B[gn]C[epgc1: now Jenny has to answer...]
;W[fj]
;B[dh]C[Ariel74 [5k*\]: thanks for the identification epgc
epgc1: alex to move... he has to choose something jenny can follow]
;W[ch]C[StPatrick [3k\]: dangerous to believe your partner will follow
epgc1: indeed - thats one of the fun things about pair go.]
;B[di]C[epgc1: Its said that 4 different games are played!
StPatrick [3k\]: i think 5
honk [3k\]: i like the cute little flag in the bg]
;W[pj]C[Bagl [20k\]: i think it s hard for strong dan player to play good move which his much weaker opponent can understand and play continuation in best way]
;B[dg]C[Bagl [20k\]: no opponent but partner =)
epgc1: Jenny was a reasonable tenuki I guess]
;W[cf]
;B[gh]C[Ariel74 [5k*\]: tenuki?
epgc1: At Q10]
;W[hk]
;B[gl]C[StPatrick [3k\]: black plays very simply
epgc1: Alex considering carefully what to do with the shape he was left by Jenny...
StPatrick [3k\]: F9 seems the only move?
Ariel74 [5k*\]: w does not seem to have any chance - when every other move is a 10k move]
;W[bn]C[StPatrick [3k\]: unless B6
edlee [7k*\]: Jansteen: Lisa and Jenny what ratings?
StPatrick [3k\]: Jenny is 9kyu I think
epgc1: Sorry, didn't see that move for a moment
Harleqin [NR\]: lisa is 3 dan
Ariel74 [5k*\]: ok every other move is a 9k move - that does not make it a lot better:-)
edlee [7k*\]: ( Lisa 3d + Ben 5d ) vs (Jenny 9k + Alex 3k) ???
epgc1: Alex is 3D.]
;B[ek]C[edlee [7k*\]: oh. title says Alex (UK unofficial 3k)  :)
epgc1: Alex's phone just received an SMS!
epgc1: Jenny breaks down into chuckles.
StPatrick [3k\]: I can text jenny if you want ;-)]
;W[dk]C[Ariel74 [5k*\]: "breaks" or "breaks down" into chuckles;-)]
;B[ej]
;W[fk]C[edlee [7k*\]: Jansteen: can u take a pic of the players with your cellphone and post online?  :)
StPatrick [3k\]: therthere is a webcam actually
jansteen [5d*\]: i am not at the venue ed, sorry
StPatrick [3k\]: http://www.britgo.org/tournaments/2005/europairgo/live.html
epgc1: egc1 is Brian Brunswick 1D from UK. Not getting much chance to think about the game though.
jansteen [5d*\]: thanks Brian
epgc1: Lisa considering carefully
Ariel74 [5k*\]: must cut]
;B[bm]
;W[co]C[Ariel74 [5k*\]: should not make it so easy for w]
;B[cm]C[Ariel74 [5k*\]: !!!?????
epgc1: Jenny played C5.
jansteen [5d*\]: the webcam is nice Brian!
edlee [7k*\]: yes!! thx brian!!
Ariel74 [5k*\]: webcam, where?]
;W[dj]C[jansteen [5d*\]: are you sitting "behind" the camera?
StPatrick [3k\]: streaming footage is great - well done forbidden!
epgc1: No, off to the right in the camera view. to record from blacks side.
Ariel74 [5k*\]: how does one see the webcam?
jansteen [5d*\]: i see, thanks]
;B[ei]
;W[fl]
;B[bl]C[edlee [7k*\]: brian, which link do i click to get "live" ? +10m ?
StPatrick [3k\]: click round 1
epgc1: From http://www.britgo.org/tournaments/2005/ follow European link]
;W[ci]
;B[ck]
;W[dl]
;B[hi]C[StPatrick [3k\]: benjamin looks tense
edlee [7k*\]: is there a lag? the video just played d8 :)
epgc1: Yes, theres some lag (1m?) in the video.
edlee [7k*\]: ah, thx.
StPatrick [3k\]: click on +10 if you want live
edlee [7k*\]: thx. that was my question :)
epgc1: Its still got some lag even with that.
StPatrick [3k\]: ok]
;W[hl]
;B[gm]C[StPatrick [3k\]: hope white doesn't foget H10
edlee [7k*\]: actually when i click +5m or +10m, the video completely freezes :(]
;W[hj]
;B[in]C[honk [3k\]: same here
edlee [7k*\]: oh well. it's still fun.
epgc1: Upload seeks to be keeping up though. Its only an ADSL line.]
;W[kk]C[Fluxor [9k*\]: where is the video?
StPatrick [3k\]: the germans are looking at the camera nervously]
;B[kn]C[honk [3k\]: thats quite impressive actually
epgc1: Find it on www.britgo.org.
edlee [7k*\]: wish they do this for the top japanese title matches :)
honk [3k\]: yeah
Fluxor [9k*\]: thanks
honk [3k\]: there used to be baduktv]
;W[jd]C[honk [3k\]: but my link seems to be broken
edlee [7k*\]: yea but that link broke...?]
;B[ji]C[honk [3k\]: yea
epgc1: Jenny tenukied again to take big point at top
Basti [2d*\]: as far as I know IGS is doing so already but not available from europe...]
;W[mk]C[honk [3k\]: :(
epgc1: I'm using the same computer thats doing the video upload for this record.
StPatrick [3k\]: do the ladies always have to press the clock in this tournament ?
honk [3k\]: quite harsh actually :P
epgc1: No, I don't thinks theres any set rules about that.
edlee [7k*\]: is there only one flag on the table?
honk [3k\]: yeah the victors flag...
epgc1: Yes, the UK pair is unofficial.
honk [3k\]: :P
epgc1: Each country has one official pair that gets the flag. Since last year other pairs are free to enter.
edlee [7k*\]: what time is it there? did they have lunch yet?]
;B[hd]C[epgc1: Theres also a handicap section for weaker players
B4yuCh4n [9k*\]: can they warn each other about the time
StPatrick [3k\]: can i ask who the official UK pair is?
epgc1: Lisa played H16 very confidently.]
;W[fd]C[StPatrick [3k\]: H16 is good
epgc1: Sorry, I can't remember at moment, and no-one else to ask]
;B[ld]C[honk [3k\]: wrong side
StPatrick [3k\]: Cocke-Regan or Atkins-Bexfield ?]
;W[jf]C[honk [3k\]: f16 should be n16 or something similar]
;B[hf]C[Ariel74 [5k*\]: alex plays extremely audaciously
honk [3k\]: now by rescuing that group something will suffer
StPatrick [3k\]: yes white is heavy now
jansteen [5d*\]: it's nice, we can see the clocks as well
epgc1: I think is was Atkins Bexfield]
;W[lg]
;B[li]C[Ariel74 [5k*\]: invade and then ignore the invading group the next move
StPatrick [3k\]: that group surely has to be sacrificed?]
;W[le]C[edlee [7k*\]: is that Lisa's iPod next to the flag ?
StPatrick [3k\]: looks like cigarettes
epgc1: Its a packet of tissues.]
;B[md]C[edlee [7k*\]: ah thx]
;W[hc]C[epgc1: In fact Lisa just used one!
StPatrick [3k\]: exciting ;-)
StPatrick [3k\]: is Jenny wearinf a sci-fi t-shirt?
epgc1: No, its a Durham go club one, With a GO problem on the front!]
;B[id]C[honk [3k\]: almost scifi :P
edlee [7k*\]: jansteen, if you're not there, how can u see??]
;W[ic]C[epgc1: There was a recent discussion on Gotalk about how to get your chest stared at more 
epgc1: Low cut or Go/geeky T-shirt?
StPatrick [3k\]: less said about that the better I think
honk [3k\]: lool]
;B[gc]C[epgc1: The Go one does better.
epgc1: Lisa just stepped out the room]
;W[gd]
;B[jc]C[edlee [7k*\]: in the video lisa just coughed and used the tissue :)
epgc1: webcam findable from http://www.britgo.org/tournaments/2005/
StPatrick [3k\]: what compression format is used for the audio?
Ariel74 [5k*\]: how strong is lisa actually, 3d?]
;W[he]C[honk [3k\]: yeah
honk [3k\]: she won german womens championshil 2003
epgc1: Its a forbidden proprietry codec.
StPatrick [3k\]: ;-)
honk [3k\]: championship*
epgc1: Now we are waiting for Lisa to come back.
StPatrick [3k\]: white cannot win this fight it seems?
honk [3k\]: squeeze is good start
Basti [2d*\]: if black doesn't watch out they will be suddenly the ones under attack...
Ariel74 [5k*\]: but white could have been worse off
Ariel74 [5k*\]: seems to me
epgc1: Lisa just returned
epgc1: The official UK pair /is/ the Bexfields.]
;B[ie]C[edlee [7k*\]: have the pair members worked with each other before as a team before this game?]
;W[je]
;B[if]C[honk [3k\]: lisa and benjamin have
honk [3k\]: quite successfully too
epgc1: I don't think Jenny and Alex have much if at all.
Basti [2d*\]: why not j14 for white??
Ariel74 [5k*\]: !!!!!!????????
Ariel74 [5k*\]: what k15?????
edlee [7k*\]: thx]
;W[gb]C[StPatrick [3k\]: calm down :)
epgc1: Alex G18]
;B[kc]C[Harleqin [NR\]: basti: well, i guess jenny overlooked it
epgc1: Lisa played that quickly!]
;W[nh]
;B[ni]C[epgc1: Clocks are about equal with 25m to go.
jansteen [5d*\]: nice boards
jansteen [5d*\]: katsura?
Ariel74 [5k*\]: because of lisa G17 I asked if lisa is really 3d:-)
epgc1: I'm told yes. They are the BGAs best ones.
honk [3k\]: why?
StPatrick [3k\]: remember a 9k answers ;-)
Harleqin [NR\]: difficult to tell, the colours are a bit off in the stream
Harleqin [NR\]: what's wrong with g17?
edlee [7k*\]: 8mm glass stones?
jansteen [5d*\]: nice
gonzo [3d*\]: getting juicy now!
epgc1: Yes, just glass stones.
StPatrick [3k\]: is that Mr Hunt taking photos]
;W[oh]C[honk [3k\]: according to the prophecy, coffee will be a necessity
edlee [7k*\]: some prefer tea :)]
;B[nk]C[honk [3k\]: :P
epgc1: Jenny leans forward and ]
;W[mj]
;B[mi]
;W[nj]
;B[oi]C[epgc1: back to jenny again!]
;W[pi]
;B[oj]C[edlee [7k*\]: what's that background noise? air-conditioner?
StPatrick [3k\]: pacompression
StPatrick [3k\]: -pa
epgc1: There is quite noisy air conditioning.
epgc1: The compression adds some too though]
;W[mm]C[edlee [7k*\]: we hear your keystrokes  :)
StPatrick [3k\]: the compression is the high pitched sound, there is a lower air con hum
epgc1: Can you hear me typing?]
;B[nl]
;W[ml]C[epgc1: I'm trying to type quietly to avoid disturbing the players.
Harleqin [NR\]: you could turn the volume down, should they start yelling at each other during analysis ;)
StPatrick [3k\]: i can't hear it]
;B[ph]C[epgc1: But its a bit of a noisy kbd. laptop we hoped to use was stolen.
edlee [7k*\]: bummer]
;W[pg]
;B[qh]
;W[qg]
;B[ri]C[StPatrick [3k\]: no mercy from black]
;W[nf]C[edlee [7k*\]: Lisa is left-handed ?
epgc1: Alex playing  O14.]
;B[rg]C[epgc1: Now Jenny to answer]
;W[rf]
;B[qf]C[StPatrick [3k\]: ((( go  jenny )))]
;W[pf]
;B[qe]C[honk [3k\]: lol]
;W[pe]
;B[pd]C[epgc1: aji disappearing...
Harleqin [NR\]: white has to try to live in sente
StPatrick [3k\]: easy to type
StPatrick [3k\]: hard to do
epgc1: :-)
honk [3k\]: thats contradiction in itself
Harleqin [NR\]: yes i know]
;W[no]C[honk [3k\]: almost
epgc1: tenuki!
StPatrick [3k\]: wow
epgc1: That was alex.
honk [3k\]: when in doubt....
StPatrick [3k\]: prepare to die]
;B[lo]
;W[lp]C[honk [3k\]: next target :P]
;B[mo]
;W[nn]
;B[mp]C[epgc1: Lisa pushed though, Jenny to answer]
;W[mq]
;B[np]C[honk [3k\]: g2 cut
StPatrick [3k\]: oh dear
honk [3k\]: p9]
;W[op]C[honk [3k\]: oh
honk [3k\]: i meant got to]
;B[oq]C[StPatrick [3k\]: does black need L4 first ?]
;W[oo]
;B[pq]C[epgc1: Now Alex to solve this one :-(
jansteen [5d*\]: this black team will be hard to beat is my guess]
;W[kp]C[edlee [7k*\]: what are the players' ages?
honk [3k\]: youre interested in the ladies? :P
edlee [7k*\]: everyone seems so young. impressive.
Basti [2d*\]: I think Lisa is 20 or 21
epgc1: Not much idea. Alex is oldest, 38?, others quite young. twenties.
honk [3k\]: benjamin was insei for a year in japan
StPatrick [3k\]: i could tell you how old jenny is but it would be remiss
epgc1: Yes, Lisa still at Durham uni.
honk [3k\]: :)
edlee [7k*\]: alex is 38? he looks 19
epgc1: Sorry, Jenny that was.
honk [3k\]: lisa is in durham?
honk [3k\]: oh ok
StPatrick [3k\]: jenny isn't at uni ;-)]
;B[kl]C[epgc1: Lisa going for blood!
honk [3k\]: rrrrrr]
;W[jm]C[StPatrick [3k\]: i think white has had it]
;B[jn]
;W[km]C[honk [3k\]: hmn
honk [3k\]: chances are slim to none]
;B[im]
;W[il]C[honk [3k\]: there is some aji at M6
StPatrick [3k\]: oh dear
epgc1: Jenny played j8]
;B[jl]C[StPatrick [3k\]: I think Alex will resign
epgc1: Shall we resign is one of the 3 things you are allowed to say during pair go.
Harleqin [NR\]: the pair has to agree on resign]
;W[kj]C[StPatrick [3k\]: what are the other 2?
StPatrick [3k\]: atari?
honk [3k\]: damn
epgc1: Whos turn is it
cae [7k*\]: Yes and no?
honk [3k\]: lol
Harleqin [NR\]: i think L11 is sente to the group above...
epgc1: Ouch.
StPatrick [3k\]: can't black just M7?]
;B[ki]
;W[lm]C[StPatrick [3k\]: maybe that's Tony watching]
;B[iq]C[edlee [7k*\]: brian: what's the 3rd?  "Ouch" ?]
;W[eo]
;B[em]C[StPatrick [3k\]: J3 very severe]
;W[fo]C[epgc1: No that was for the sente
epgc1: I think its time is passing. :-)]
;B[go]C[epgc1: both sides 13m on the clock now.]
;W[jr]
;B[lr]C[StPatrick [3k\]: hmm
epgc1: Lisa likes these moves.
epgc1: Gives Jenny something to think about!
StPatrick [3k\]: it's jenny's turn now?
epgc1: Yes.
StPatrick [3k\]: cruel ;-)
epgc1: Brow is wrinkled.]
;W[lq]C[patrice [4k*\]: why not to kill central w group?]
;B[ir]
;W[kr]C[honk [3k\]: might be dead already
Harleqin [NR\]: the center group has a lot of liberties...
kare [4d*\]: lives with j10, if it makes any difference]
;B[jq]C[honk [3k\]: ah cool
StPatrick [3k\]: white living in gote a lot
patrice [4k*\]: and b j10 isn't enough]
;W[ls]
;B[js]C[epgc1: Jenny was M1
epgc1: Another problem for Alex:-)
StPatrick [3k\]: dead]
;W[or]
;B[mr]
;W[ms]
;B[pr]C[epgc1: Jenny playing on 1st line :-(
honk [3k\]: oh man.
honk [3k\]: killing spree]
;W[ok]C[epgc1: A Last try ?]
;B[ol]
;W[pl]C[cherisse [20k*\]: edlee, yuhooo... lol
epgc1: ooh]
;B[pk]C[edlee [7k*\]: hey cherisse.
cherisse [20k*\]: waa 7k here now =O
edlee [7k*\]: cherisse, watch the video. it's cool.
cherisse [20k*\]: where?]
;W[ij]C[honk [3k\]: http://www.britgo.org/tournaments/2005/europairgo/live.html
cherisse [20k*\]: koolies
epgc1: b 10m to white 5m on the clock.]
;B[jg]C[edlee [7k*\]: brian, it's absolute time? no byoyomi ?]
;W[kg]
;B[ih]C[epgc1: yes.]
;W[pn]
;B[qm]
;W[pm]
;B[ql]
;W[fq]C[honk [3k\]: where does alex come from?]
;B[gq]
;W[fr]
;B[gr]C[epgc1: Cambridge
StPatrick [3k\]: cambridge]
;W[jb]C[honk [3k\]: hes 3k?
epgc1: 3d
honk [3k\]: i might have played him
honk [3k\]: ah ok
honk [3k\]: average 3k
honk [3k\]: isee]
;B[me]C[edlee [7k*\]: is alex going to school in cambridge?]
;W[mf]
;B[ke]C[epgc1: Hes 38(ish)]
;W[kf]
;B[kd]C[edlee [7k*\]: the video is crazy. everyone looks early 20's, late teens.
honk [3k\]: :)]
;W[df]C[epgc1: Alex does look young.]
;B[fg]C[honk [3k\]: thats the filter all the talk show people use too
Trinity151 [2k\]: lol
epgc1: White has resigned.
honk [3k\]: ah
StPatrick [3k\]: poor white
epgc1: Players are analysing the game.
edlee [7k*\]: brian, is "we resign" the 3rd thing allowed to say?
StPatrick [3k\]: no if you say that you're disqualified
epgc1: I think its 3 questions you can ask, one of them is "should we resign"
epgc1: Another is "Whos turn is it?"
edlee [7k*\]: and the 3rd ?
epgc1: The third is to say "Time is passing"
StPatrick [3k\]: atari
honk [3k\]: time is passing is pretty useful actually
edlee [7k*\]: "time is passing" to your partner and opponent? interesting.
honk [3k\]: in what languages? :P
honk [3k\]: hard to check hehe
epgc1: Players are clearing up the stones.
Harleqin [NR\]: sometimes your partner is your opponent...
edlee [7k*\]: i think we all know that feeling in pair go  :)
honk [3k\]: heh yeah
honk [3k\]: used to play with a 3d against 2 other guys. he was getting very frustated....
edlee [7k*\]: pair go can be so stressful!  :)
edlee [7k*\]: how many minutes til round 2 ?
epgc1: They are replaying the game now.
epgc1: Black should have played B6 before white.
epgc1: (they say)
edlee [7k*\]: does round 2 start soon after they replay?
epgc1: round 2 at 11.45am (5 mins ago!)]
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