(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[gGo:1.0]ST[1]GN[European Pair Go Championships, round 3, Kasia Koenig 1d + Janusz Kraszek 5d (PL 3d) vs Manja Lindemeyer 2d + Michael Marz 3d (DE2 3d)]
SZ[19]KM[6.5]
PW[epgc1]WR[6d]PB[epgc1]BR[6d]DT[2005-04-23]PC[IGS-PandaNet]
C[fridy [20k\]: Is this the maidenhead
fridy [20k\]: How can we view the games ?
Wuschelein [9k*\]: you are currently doing this
Wuschelein [9k*\]: ;)
Wuschelein [9k*\]: there haven't been any moves made yet
Wuschelein [9k*\]: ^^
epgc1: The players aren't here yet!
epgc1: But this is the place
Wuschelein [9k*\]: who is playing?
Wuschelein [9k*\]: ^^
Wuschelein [9k*\]: manja and michael versus?
epgc1: Kasia and Janusz
Wuschelein [9k*\]: thanks
jansteen [5d*\]: Krajec?
epgc1: Yes.
jansteen [5d*\]: wow, he still plays? :)
epgc1: 5d it seems.
jansteen [5d*\]: pls say hi from me if you have the chance, also to Kasia
epgc1: Kraszek is the name I have - is that the same person?
jansteen [5d*\]: yes, sorry, my spelling was wrong
epgc1: The round3 video should be going now. No one at the table yet tho.
epgc1: Michael has arrived.
Observing game 566 (epgc1 vs. epgc1) :
       jansteen 5d*             fridy 20k          leikkele 2d    
     Wuschelein 9k*        Trinity151 2k          guest7246 NR    
        hotaru9 3k*             zebub 1d*         guest6995 NR    
            mjs 13k           splunge NR               honk 3k    
          riaan 16k*           Sander 4k*   
Found 14 observers.
Observing game 566 (epgc1 vs. epgc1) :
       jansteen 5d*             fridy 20k          leikkele 2d    
     Wuschelein 9k*        Trinity151 2k          guest7246 NR    
        hotaru9 3k*             zebub 1d*         guest6995 NR    
            mjs 13k           splunge NR               honk 3k    
          riaan 16k*           Sander 4k*          Harleqin NR    
         dcline NR    
Found 16 observers.
epgc1: Everyone is here, just sitting down
Harleqin [NR\]: this will be a wild game
Harleqin [NR\]: manja has a very ... interesting style]
;B[pd]
;W[ep]
;B[qp]C[fridy [20k\]: How is pair go different than normal - please mind my ignorance]
;W[de]
;B[oq]
;W[qj]
;B[cp]
;W[dn]
;B[eq]
;W[dq]C[Wuschelein [9k*\]: lol
honk [3k\]: senseis.xmp.net/?rengo]
;B[dp]
;W[cq]C[Wuschelein [9k*\]: no manja fuseki so far
Wuschelein [9k*\]: ^^
fridy [20k\]: thanks]
;B[bq]
;W[br]C[Harleqin [NR\]: well takamoku is the "calm manja"...
Wuschelein [9k*\]: lol
Wuschelein [9k*\]: :)
honk [3k\]: heh
Wuschelein [9k*\]: in respect to micha?
Wuschelein [9k*\]: ^^]
;B[eo]
;W[fp]C[Harleqin [NR\]: oups]
;B[bp]
;W[er]C[fridy [20k\]: what are the time constraints?
epgc1: 45m sudden death
Harleqin [NR\]: 45min sudden death
fridy [20k\]: 10x]
;B[cn]
;W[dl]
;B[do]
;W[cm]C[Harleqin [NR\]: bad for black. should have just connected b4 without atari e5]
;B[bn]C[leikkele [2d\]: Who played D3?
tom111 [11k\]: manja]
;W[ci]
;B[dc]C[epgc1: Wait for another Manja move]
;W[fd]
;B[dr]
;W[cr]
;B[fq]C[epgc1: That was Kasia, Manja next
ver7igo [1d*\]: Janusz Kraszak is not 3dan!!!
epgc1: The German pair are leaning close over the board, the Polish leaning back, relaxed.]
;W[gq]
;B[fr]C[tom111 [11k\]: d3 is her favorite joseki but it continues with black connecting at b4 instead of e5]
;W[ds]C[Harleqin [NR\]: um g3 is not good i think]
;B[ce]C[epgc1: Kasia tenukis
Harleqin [NR\]: good choice]
;W[cd]C[honk [3k\]: heh]
;B[gr]C[epgc1: Janusz couldn't resist!]
;W[hq]
;B[hr]
;W[iq]C[honk [3k\]: kraszek.. didnt he write a paper  on go or something?
ver7igo [1d*\]: a book
honk [3k\]: cool
Harleqin [NR\]: now it's really bad for black]
;B[ir]
;W[jq]
;B[dd]C[ver7igo [1d*\]: why does the camera have lags??]
;W[cc]
;B[jr]
;W[kq]
;B[kr]
;W[lq]
;B[lr]
;W[ee]C[epgc1: Its the upload - its over a 256k ADSL line, and also in chunks for a normal web server.]
;B[cb]C[epgc1: When the players move a lot it gets behind. Best you get is 20-30s ever.
Harleqin [NR\]: the camera doesn't believe its eyes and wants to look twice before transmitting
honk [3k\]: :)]
;W[bb]
;B[eb]
;W[be]
;B[cf]C[Wuschelein [9k*\]: rofl
epgc1: webcam time at 35000 vs 32000 uploaded, eg.
epgc1: Manja is frowning]
;W[bf]
;B[gc]
;W[hd]
;B[hc]C[honk [3k\]: now thats a moyo. i dont know why i ever bother with those puny ones...
epgc1: Back to twin German contemplation.]
;W[fc]C[Wuschelein [9k*\]: lol
ver7igo [1d*\]: Are there any results online?
epgc1: I don't think so, yet.]
;B[fb]
;W[ic]
;B[gd]
;W[ge]C[honk [3k\]: seems like W is not too careful anymore]
;B[id]
;W[he]
;B[ib]C[Wuschelein [9k*\]: w is germany?]
;W[jc]C[epgc1: Yes.
Wuschelein [9k*\]: thanks
Wuschelein [9k*\]: :)]
;B[ie]C[Wuschelein [9k*\]: then you should know your job at the end of the game ;)]
;W[jb]
;B[hb]C[Wuschelein [9k*\]: c19?]
;W[if]
;B[kd]
;W[jd]
;B[je]
;W[ke]
;B[jf]
;W[ld]C[honk [3k\]: hmm]
;B[ig]C[epgc1: White strategy seems fragmented a bit to me.
honk [3k\]: yeah]
;W[kf]
;B[jg]
;W[dg]
;B[ga]
;W[lh]
;B[mq]
;W[fm]
;B[fo]C[leikkele [2d\]: Why G19 and not B19?
epgc1: Manja to play]
;W[qf]
;B[nc]
;W[ki]
;B[ij]C[epgc1: Kasia running out with the group]
;W[kc]
;B[hf]
;W[qc]
;B[qd]
;W[rd]
;B[re]
;W[rc]
;B[qe]
;W[ob]
;B[pf]C[epgc1: Manja just dropped that p18 stone on the board.]
;W[qg]
;B[pg]C[epgc1: (fixed up now tho)]
;W[ph]
;B[oc]C[epgc1: Michael to play - he pauses
epgc1: holding a stone]
;W[pb]
;B[oh]
;W[pi]
;B[ng]
;W[ni]
;B[oe]C[epgc1: Kasia played that very quickly
epgc1: Manja just sighed
jansteen [5d*\]: Go is suffering]
;W[hh]
;B[gi]
;W[gh]
;B[gf]
;W[fe]
;B[fh]C[StPatrick [3k\]: just like love]
;W[fg]C[Wuschelein [9k*\]: rengo is even more suffering
Wuschelein [9k*\]: everybody playing 1vs3
Wuschelein [9k*\]: :)]
;B[gg]C[jansteen [5d*\]: Stpatrick, you said we played pari-go in london?
epgc1: We are running a triangle tournament in parallel to this, 2 vs 1. Its got about 15 entrants.]
;W[fi]C[Wuschelein [9k*\]: hehe]
;B[eh]C[Wuschelein [9k*\]: any strong players?]
;W[ei]C[StPatrick [3k\]: yes that's right jansteen
epgc1: Some. Mostly weak tho.
jansteen [5d*\]: many years ago probably? :)
StPatrick [3k\]: oh maybe i have the wrong person - i'm thinking of wandell ;-)]
;B[hi]C[Harleqin [NR\]: i would have guessed triangle is 3 players, three games...
jansteen [5d*\]: ah right, William Wandel]
;W[ih]
;B[jh]
;W[dh]C[jansteen [5d*\]: the philosopher]
;B[ii]
;W[eg]C[StPatrick [3k\]: ^.^
epgc1: Only 1 game at a time. its an experiment]
;B[ji]C[jansteen [5d*\]: black is playing sabaki manouevre :)]
;W[jk]C[epgc1: 3 rounds, different partners each one.
Wuschelein [9k*\]: :-)
Wuschelein [9k*\]: sounds interesting
Wuschelein [9k*\]: ^^]
;B[hg]C[epgc1: Waste of a threat?
epgc1: (That was Kasia)
ver7igo [1d*\]: player switching tesuji]
;W[fh]C[tom111 [11k\]: letting the 5d decide]
;B[kj]C[ver7igo [1d*\]: maybe ;)
Wuschelein [9k*\]: lol
Wuschelein [9k*\]: :)
epgc1: true
StPatrick [3k\]: rengo tesuji]
;W[mf]C[jansteen [5d*\]: in nadare you have variation with double-ko, that would leave strongest player with all the moves :)]
;B[nf]
;W[hl]
;B[li]
;W[kh]C[Harleqin [NR\]: ok, so always play nadare in pairgo... *g*]
;B[jj]C[jansteen [5d*\]: :)
epgc1: Manja wondering how to continue
Wuschelein [9k*\]: lol
Observing game 566 (epgc1 vs. epgc1) :
       jansteen 5d*        Trinity151 2k          guest7246 NR    
        hotaru9 3k*           splunge NR               honk 3k    
          riaan 16k*           Sander 4k*          Harleqin NR    
         dcline NR          guest7292 NR         Wuschelein 9k*   
         REEPER 22k            tom111 11k             fridy 20k   
            pph 13k*        guest7461 NR            willfor 2d*   
        ver7igo 1d*           Froglet 7k*          malgosia 3k*   
         gimlix 19k           Jagobah 22k        Bazyliszek 1k    
         Jeylan 22k           joachim 1d*         guest7669 NR    
       scribble 5k*         guest7633 NR             Wojtek 4k*   
      guest6365 NR          esuomikim 22k         guest7334 NR    
      StPatrick 3k          guest7513 NR          guest7735 NR    
      guest7761 NR           GOTintin 11k*              cae 7k*   
         retesz 11k*        guest7674 NR          guest7780 NR    
           koda 2d          guest7752 NR          guest7771 NR    
      sakurasan 3k*          kkk4ever 13k          jyomakun 3k*   
Found 48 observers.
StPatrick [3k\]: stats froglet
StPatrick [3k\]: i hate ww]
;W[lj]
;B[jl]
;W[qn]
;B[hn]C[epgc1: w down to 16m vs black 24m
Wuschelein [9k*\]: thx]
;W[lk]
;B[kk]
;W[lm]
;B[ll]
;W[ml]C[Wuschelein [9k*\]: benjamin and lisa still playing?]
;B[kl]
;W[mm]C[epgc1: Yes, on another board.
tom111 [11k\]: do we se a game at random or this the "top-game-table"
epgc1: Or do you mean hav they finished round. I don't know
tom111 [11k\]: ?]
;B[kn]C[Wuschelein [9k*\]: yes i meant if they finished the round
Wuschelein [9k*\]: :)
epgc1: Its board 1, but the godraw program randomizes it a bit
Wuschelein [9k*\]: do you know how the score of manja and micha was before this game?
epgc1: I'm getting quite frazzled doing this - sorry.
epgc1: No.
Wuschelein [9k*\]: ^-^
epgc1: I'll try to get some results for next round.
Harleqin [NR\]: must have won if they get to board 1?
Wuschelein [9k*\]: thanks
Wuschelein [9k*\]: well benni and lisa 2:0
Wuschelein [9k*\]: ;)
epgc1: I guess so.
Wuschelein [9k*\]: so normally they should be board 1
jansteen [5d*\]: yes, thanks for your coverage Brian
Harleqin [NR\]: there are supposedly other pairs who also have 2:0]
;W[lo]C[epgc1 undid the last move (N6) .]
;B[ln]
;W[mp]C[epgc1: Its quite interesting to do.
jansteen [5d*\]: first Undo in thousand moves :)]
;B[mn]
;W[nq]
;B[mr]
;W[op]
;B[nr]
;W[np]
;B[pn]C[epgc1: there was 1 last round too.
jansteen [5d*\]: oh, i missed that moment i guess]
;W[nn]C[Wuschelein [9k*\]: :-)
jansteen [5d*\]: you're using a mouse or touchpad?
Wuschelein [9k*\]: consistency ;)
epgc1: Mouse.
jansteen [5d*\]: that's nice, touchpad is very error-prone
epgc1: I quite like them tho. Anyway, It was good to be able to keep up in the ko last round.]
;B[qm]
;W[qo]C[Wuschelein [9k*\]: :)
epgc1: Manja not looking happy.]
;B[po]C[epgc1: w 11m b 20m]
;W[rp]C[Observing game 566 (epgc1 vs. epgc1) :
       jansteen 5d*        Trinity151 2k            hotaru9 3k*   
        splunge NR               honk 3k              riaan 16k*  
         Sander 4k*          Harleqin NR             dcline NR    
      guest7292 NR         Wuschelein 9k*            REEPER 22k   
         tom111 11k             fridy 20k               pph 13k*  
      guest7461 NR            willfor 2d*           ver7igo 1d*   
        Froglet 7k*          malgosia 3k*            gimlix 19k   
        Jagobah 22k            Jeylan 22k           joachim 1d*   
       scribble 5k*         guest7633 NR             Wojtek 4k*   
      guest6365 NR          esuomikim 22k         guest7334 NR    
      guest7761 NR           GOTintin 11k*           retesz 11k*  
      guest7674 NR          guest7780 NR          guest7771 NR    
       kkk4ever 13k               cae 7k*         guest7805 NR    
       duckweed 17k*          wojtekw 3d          guest6995 NR    
            fto 1k          guest7711 NR          guest7824 NR    
      guest7755 NR             noriya 5k*         guest7735 NR    
       leikkele 2d    
Found 49 observers.]
;B[ro]
;W[rn]
;B[pp]C[epgc1: Michael to play.]
;W[so]C[Wuschelein [9k*\]: can't black cut now?]
;B[rq]C[epgc1: Michael just said time is passing]
;W[rm]C[epgc1: w has 8m left, b 18m
epgc1: Janusz considers..]
;B[pm]C[ver7igo [1d*\]: any byo-yomi?
Wuschelein [9k*\]: no
Wuschelein [9k*\]: sudden death]
;W[nl]
;B[rl]
;W[sm]
;B[pk]
;W[oi]C[tom111 [11k\]: has any game in this tourney needed to be counted yet ? not much time ...
epgc1: indeed]
;B[bl]
;W[sq]
;B[sr]
;W[sp]
;B[qr]
;W[bk]
;B[mk]
;W[mj]C[epgc1: Kasia to play]
;B[nb]
;W[ca]
;B[ol]
;W[nk]
;B[no]
;W[oo]
;B[nm]
;W[om]C[epgc1: Cunning]
;B[on]
;W[mo]
;B[nm]
;W[im]
;B[in]C[tom111 [11k\]: warm up your fingers for that 6 minutes left ko]
;W[om]C[epgc1: :-)
honk [3k\]: lol]
;B[bd]
;W[db]
;B[nm]
;W[jm]
;B[km]
;W[om]
;B[ar]
;W[bs]
;B[nm]
;W[gn]
;B[go]
;W[om]
;B[bc]
;W[cb]
;B[nm]
;W[jn]
;B[gl]C[epgc1: :-)]
;W[om]C[jansteen [5d*\]: black thinks: it's too simple, let's confuse matters]
;B[jo]C[honk [3k\]: hihi]
;W[nm]
;B[fl]
;W[el]
;B[ck]
;W[bm]
;B[bj]
;W[am]C[epgc1: kasia to play!]
;B[ek]
;W[dk]C[epgc1: w still 4m.
tom111 [11k\]: scotty fixed the warp engine twice in 4m
epgc1: Janusz considering. 10m for b. He adjust a stone ]
;B[fk]
;W[rk]C[Wuschelein [9k*\]: w losing on time then?
epgc1: perhaps.]
;B[dj]
;W[cj]
;B[rg]
;W[rh]
;B[rf]
;W[qh]C[Froglet [7k*\]: what do you mean adjust a stone?]
;B[ql]
;W[ej]
;B[fn]
;W[gj]
;B[em]
;W[gk]C[epgc1: j'adube]
;B[hk]
;W[ko]
;B[io]
;W[fj]
;B[gm]
;W[ec]
;B[me]
;W[lf]
;B[lb]
;W[md]
;B[sl]
;W[ok]
;B[dm]
;W[cl]
;B[qk]
;W[rj]C[jansteen [5d*\]: g4 still there]
;B[sd]
;W[rb]C[jansteen [5d*\]: that's fine, sente
epgc1: tanja gave way.]
;B[gp]
;W[nd]
;B[ne]
;W[od]
;B[pc]
;W[nh]C[CuChulain [5k\]: b death?]
;B[oa]
;W[qa]
;B[og]
;W[mc]
;B[na]
;W[pa]
;B[fs]
;W[es]
;B[mb]
;W[la]C[Wuschelein [9k*\]: m19 o.O]
;B[ja]
;W[ka]C[epgc1: tanja nods]
;B[ia]
;W[kb]
;B[mg]
;W[mh]C[jansteen [5d*\]: poor black, so near the end]
;B[pj]
;W[oj]
;B[sc]
;W[sb]
;B[se]
;W[sg]C[epgc1: they are fighting this ko. Both 3m to go. No decided.
Wuschelein [9k*\]: ok :)
epgc1: Now the count...
epgc1: Janusz was surprised that the top right black group is dead.
jansteen [5d*\]: oh :)
Wuschelein [9k*\]: lol
epgc1: So B resigns.
Wuschelein [9k*\]: yeah
jansteen [5d*\]: thanks Brian
epgc1: Discussion is that W was ahead even without the death.
Wuschelein [9k*\]: say congrats from germany :D
jansteen [5d*\]: next game in an hour?
tom111 [11k\]: congrats
tom111 [11k\]: from leipzig ;)
Wuschelein [9k*\]: ^^
ver7igo [1d*\]: (next round, put both flags so that the camera can see them)
Wuschelein [9k*\]: na dresden hier
retesz [11k*\]: Hi, Can I find the results somwhere ?
epgc1: Because they weren't the official pair.
epgc1: Not yet.
epgc1: Top right W group should have died, S19
Wuschelein [9k*\]: official is benni and lisa?
hotaru9 [3k*\]: put the results on the screen before the next game :)
epgc1: Yes.
Wuschelein [9k*\]: ok
tom111 [11k\]: thanks for the coverage
tom111 [11k\]: really enjoyable
epgc1: W S18 is ko, 
epgc1: (after o18)
Fluxor [9k*\]: yes I agree, thanks!
Harleqin [NR\]: after o18? white is alive isn't it?
epgc1: Next round at least 20m I'm told.
jansteen [5d*\]: thanks
Observing game 566 (epgc1 vs. epgc1) :
       jansteen 5d*        Trinity151 2k            splunge NR    
         Sander 4k*          Harleqin NR         Wuschelein 9k*   
         tom111 11k             fridy 20k         guest7461 NR    
        ver7igo 1d*          malgosia 3k*           Jagobah 22k   
         Jeylan 22k         guest7633 NR             Wojtek 4k*   
      guest6365 NR           GOTintin 11k*           retesz 11k*  
      guest7780 NR                cae 7k*         guest7805 NR    
       leikkele 2d          guest7746 NR            gomaker 21k   
       guest120 NR          guest7919 NR              Basti 2d*   
      guest7927 NR             Fluxor 9k*              Drew 4k*   
      guest7952 NR    
Found 31 observers.
epgc1: We're all off for a group photo. brb.
epgc1: save this now]
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